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hello hello hello everybody welcome to

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disclosure team youtube channel thank

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you for joining me i'm really looking

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forward to this conversation

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we're going to be joined by mr gary

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voorhees jr and mr jason turner

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so without further ado guys i'm going to

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introduce our first guest

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mr jason turner how are you my friend

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good good how are you yeah i'm real good

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man

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so uh gary's yet to to jump in that's

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all good

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so listen how's your day going so far my

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man good man good happy to be here

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good man it's appreciated very much so

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so uh yeah where do we start man i mean

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why don't we just uh do you want to go

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back to the start right now

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i mean let's go let's do it tell me

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about your life early days

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uh back before the military and i was

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like yeah lowly little kid man and

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grew up west of atlanta and uh in

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georgia

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for you guys over there

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that's about 20 minutes west of atlanta

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grew up kind of poor kind of

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like a lot of us but uh yeah i decided

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one day after

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you know um

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i needed a change in my life so i

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decided to not you know join the

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military i was going to join the army

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but then i'm like

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i don't know about the army let's not do

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anything so i went to the navy

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recruiter's office and

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took the asvab the test to get in and

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yeah

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may of 2001 i've shipped off to boot

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camp

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wow so it's like right before september

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and was that was there any like family

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history of military service and things

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like that you know my grandpa and my

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uncle they were air force army right

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they really didn't it didn't play much

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of a of a role right yeah in my life

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as far as you know like i've got to keep

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this tradition yeah that's why i'm sort

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of getting that because a lot of people

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they do have that generational thing

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where father did it grandfather did it

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so i was just happy to make my my mom my

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grand my gran especially my grandmother

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happy yeah you know because

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you know seeing her smile was a was a

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good thing yeah absolutely

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so yeah i joined i joined in may of 2001

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i graduated in july of 2001 and

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went to uh a school which is like your

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special day school

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okay

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so like

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you're saying you did the first initials

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like tests and stuff but then

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when you do the specialist areas do you

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go through really rigorous testing where

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a lot of people don't make it and things

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like that no i mean it's just like your

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basic job training you know unless

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you're unless you're specialized in like

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you know seal training and stuff like

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that where a lot of people won't make it

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they 90 80 85

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drop out but nothing like nah that's not

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i don't like running

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[Laughter]

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so did you still have a specialty within

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area when you know when you started

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initially um you go through what they

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call a school which is like a um

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it's a job specialty so like um you know

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gary was a

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fire control man i was a logistics guy

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so we go to our individual schools it's

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three to six months

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and then you get your orders to wherever

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you're gonna go

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oh that's cool nice background vinnie is

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it the right ship i don't know jason

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is that

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i don't know if you can't see the front

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of it

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oh wrong way

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i'm still can't sit now i can't see the

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numbers they're uh they're underwater it

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looks like i mean

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i didn't do my research all the cruisers

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look the same

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it's a ticonderoga ship so yeah it's

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kind of the same okay cool

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they are the same they're the same

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platform

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yeah so pretty much got the same system

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on them as well yeah pretty much

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um there's minor differences between all

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of the ships

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depending on where they're at and what

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what they're responsible for within the

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certain battle group that they're in

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yeah but most of them like you can see

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on that one it's got

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pretty much the same systems on it

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yeah i see i chose this because of the

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keep moving the wrong way it's mirrored

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i found this awesome this bit where it's

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were off the coast of africa

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like we were hitting 45-foot swells

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there it was crazy

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did you ever get like in in the early

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days did you ever like get seasick or

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anything like that i did i was you know

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the first time we ever got underway man

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i was

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and they'd pull they pull you know the

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tugs they'll come upside us and they

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pull the ship off the pier and then pull

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us out well i'm sitting there and i've

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been on the ship for a couple months and

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we hadn't been underway so i've never

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been underway and all of a sudden it's

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what the heck just happened you know it

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got sick i never got seasick right i

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wanted to but i you know like i wanted

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to i felt that way but i never really i

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got my sea legs pretty quickly and

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you know even when we were hitting the

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big swells it was

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you know we had just come out of the

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gulf in 2003

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and we had to sit off the coast of

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africa and it was like

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that day

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when we were going down we knew we were

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going to hit some weather

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right and then uh

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about three o'clock in the morning

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and i'd put the seat belts up on my on

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my rack and about three o'clock in the

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morning

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you roll out of your rack trying to

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because you're you know the ship starts

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taking on

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swells and it it was freaky being woke

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up in the middle of the night being

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slung out of your bed and

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that's crazy so what where are some of

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your like or what was your first

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deployment and mission where you left

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you actually left the states and was

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going out into see the world you know

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that was it that was in 2003 um we left

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on march 3rd

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of 2003 um right before

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the war started

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right so it was i think it started on

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the 20

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it was nice we got some hawaii for a

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couple of days and oh nice yeah

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but yeah we uh

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that was our first appointment we we

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so it was a pretty long deployment for

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my first one especially on a ship you

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know it's like because you're only 55

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feet wide

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567 feet long and 400 people on that

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ship

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it it becomes very small very quickly

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yeah i can imagine man and we were

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always traveling in battle groups as

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yeah um when we're deployed we are we're

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all kind of traveling together

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um but anywhere the nimitz would go we

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would go so that was always the you were

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always part of that battlegroup yes

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yeah we um like when we were going into

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the gulf we would lead the nimitz

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and the uh the supply ship

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they were in line with us and then

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coming out it would be the same way i

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got a few pictures on my facebook page

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that i saved from it but you know you

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can actually see the nimitz behind us

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and then the bridge us it was the uss

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bridges down but

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coming out of the gulf

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that was actually when we were going off

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the uh the coast of africa the horn of

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africa right did you come across any

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troubles or issues with any piracy or

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anything like that we never really saw

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piracy um we did have a couple incidents

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nothing major um it was a show of force

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that we did and then

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they moved on

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quickly i can imagine seeing yeah

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however many cruisers and carriers come

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in okay hey

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hey how's it going

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but yeah it was it was it was cool you

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know we didn't you know we got to work

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with it was some australians i think

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that the australian navy was there in

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2003 when we were there and they kind of

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cross-decked with us

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they said

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we sent some of our people over so were

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they in the battle group with you with

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their ships no they were working up in

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the northern arabian gulf right okay

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they were already up there okay and they

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do a lot of patrols and stuff up there

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so then we when we send our vbss team

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out there they're doing the same thing

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and they they they're kind of

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overseeing that operation and we just

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kind of follow their lead then

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so what was your

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you know i guess you come across the

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ocean from the states and you're hitting

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i don't know the africa and did you

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start initially when you started seeing

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land did you just see all these new

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places that just you know how did that

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feel when you realized

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gary and i were just talking about that

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the other day like the ports we went to

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the very first port we went to was

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bahrain

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right so that was the first time i'd

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a middle eastern country well any other

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country besides america yeah and tijuana

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mexico but

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you know and we got to go to dubai

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um we went there twice

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and bahrain i think three times

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and then uh

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thailand

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wow in singapore

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i think that yeah that was all we did on

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that on that deployment but we went to

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singapore twice

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dubai twice bahrain three times

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it's crazy man how many

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places you hit australia on the way home

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no they closed they they stopped us from

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going there remember oh that must have

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been the deployment beforehand sorry you

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and you get downtime in these ports

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where you can go off ship and enjoy

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yourselves a bit you know let loose yeah

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unless it's a working port like the

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first time we went to bahrain it was a

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working port so we didn't really get to

284
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do anything we could go to the dome the

285
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desert dome there and have a beer but

286
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okay that was over with you come back

287
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yeah we had just we had just got

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finished literally

289
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offloading every single

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tomahawk missile we had at afghanistan

291
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at that point and we were actually

292
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reloading

293
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wow

294
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that's crazy so what what so you were

295
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picking stuff up as well as dropping off

296
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yeah yeah drop off uh drop off mail pick

297
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wow that's incredible so gary thank you

298
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for joining me my friend it's really

299
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appreciated we it

300
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sorry my little late drop my daughter

301
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off

302
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we know how that goes bro it's all good

303
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man oh hey gary check it check his hat

304
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was that uss princeton yeah

305
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yeah i got i got three hats in my closet

306
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i got my i got my patch and

307
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and then uh

308
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i lost my zippo i don't know what the

309
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hell happened to that oh i've got mine

310
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i've got i've got one that's engraved

311
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and everything from our deployment yeah

312
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nice man yeah i'm a little bit of a

313
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collector gary i like to get a little

314
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bit of merch you know then products and

315
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stuff that relates to the things that

316
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i'm interested in so

317
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purely out of respect nowhere

318
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i don't want to you know annoy people

319
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trying to think i'm not dude you wear

320
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whatever you want to wear

321
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yeah no

322
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as long as it says you know it doesn't

323
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say uh you know i was a uss princeton

324
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sailor or you know you're not you're not

325
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claiming to be a seal or

326
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no fake false valor or whatever they

327
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call it yeah oh yeah i'll [\h__\h] somebody

328
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up on that hey man i i used to watch all

329
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those youtube videos of that stuff man

330
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that's insane why people do that stuff

331
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but hey let's not go there that's crazy

332
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well i think i think i think part of

333
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it's just mental he's going there

334
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no no you're right it is it's sunk this

335
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weird need of acknowledgement or just i

336
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don't know man well the ones that aren't

337
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like you know slow

338
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because i've i've seen some guy a lot of

339
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them where they're just kind of they're

340
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just not all there yeah they live they

341
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literally made up this persona in their

342
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head and that you know they to them it

343
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is true

344
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yeah

345
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them have it though i mean as long as

346
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they're not

347
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anyway

348
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well

349
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to a point yeah yeah

350
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so gary we just spoke with jason about

351
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kind of him

352
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going into the military and stuff do you

353
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mind talking about what you know your

354
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life was just before and what brought

355
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you to joining the navy and stuff

356
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well

357
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just like now i don't know what i want

358
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to be when i grow up

359
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you know uh i you know

360
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finished part of college

361
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didn't know what i wanted to do

362
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had no more money didn't want to go

363
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didn't want to stay at home

364
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yeah um so uh

365
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contrary to what everybody thought i i

366
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joined the military i mean honestly i i

367
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everybody was like you did what

368
00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:15,200
yeah i was i was like the last person

369
00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:17,680
everybody expected to join the military

370
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um but it ended up being a good fit i i

371
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didn't have uh i mean i had my issues

372
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but we all do you know i mean absolutely

373
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it's it's there's a reason why they call

374
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they got a saying in the military

375
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embrace the suck

376
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um

377
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or uh fubar

378
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so

379
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you know

380
00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:36,800
it's but in the same respect you you

381
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develop skill sets regardless of your

382
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rate regardless of your job

383
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you

384
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develop interpersonal relationship

385
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skills with people

386
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yeah

387
00:13:51,110 --> 00:13:49,680
go lay down liam

388
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um

389
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and you are able to

390
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make a

391
00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:57,600
bond with people there

392
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leon it's just the chickens lay down

393
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[Music]

394
00:14:11,430 --> 00:14:09,590
it's all good man i don't mind it's all

395
00:14:17,590 --> 00:14:11,440
it's cool

396
00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:19,829
so did you guys meet early on in like

397
00:14:22,949 --> 00:14:21,600
the first deployment or did you get your

398
00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:22,959
guy did you come on ship at different

399
00:14:28,069 --> 00:14:25,920
time or um i think i think gary got

400
00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:28,079
there a little bit before i did

401
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,279
and then uh because i got there in

402
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:31,360
january of 2002 right right after they

403
00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:32,399
got back

404
00:14:36,389 --> 00:14:34,480
oh okay so he'd been on one deployment

405
00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:36,399
before you i don't know gary when did

406
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:41,829
i got there in

407
00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:43,199
o2

408
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,279
oh

409
00:14:49,269 --> 00:14:47,519
hey at the end of one maybe

410
00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:49,279
i think we got there at the same time

411
00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:51,279
because i i flew onto the boat during

412
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:54,560
their deployment before the before uh

413
00:14:59,509 --> 00:14:57,040
like i met them in thailand

414
00:15:01,110 --> 00:14:59,519
oh yeah on there on the deployment prior

415
00:15:02,629 --> 00:15:01,120
to the one that we were on the o3

416
00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:02,639
deployment that we went down together

417
00:15:06,870 --> 00:15:04,480
now that's the old one deployment

418
00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:06,880
yeah so i i always so it would have been

419
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:08,160
yeah it must've been a one because it

420
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:09,920
was 99 i went in

421
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and then i went to uh boot camp in san

422
00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:15,519
diego or not in san diego up in uh great

423
00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:19,120
lakes great mistakes uh

424
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and then um

425
00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:27,829
ebo ewe which is a basic electronics and

426
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,160
or what they call nida then but i did

427
00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:32,240
the self-paced course

428
00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:34,160
um i don't know what they had when you

429
00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:35,199
went through

430
00:15:38,829 --> 00:15:36,880
well you you didn't go through the same

431
00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:38,839
rate that i did but

432
00:15:43,590 --> 00:15:41,519
um so we had to go through an entire

433
00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:43,600
electronics course and learn how to

434
00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:45,360
troubleshoot down to the micro miniature

435
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:47,040
electronics

436
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,240
um

437
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:50,639
basic rf theory things like that you

438
00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:51,360
know

439
00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:53,600
all these all these things these cats on

440
00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:58,150
but uh

441
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:00,959
yeah um but then uh then then you got

442
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:04,160
your a school fire control a school uh

443
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:05,839
so fire control would be basically

444
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:08,480
weapon systems so you learn you know you

445
00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:10,639
learn about you know everything from you

446
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,360
know advanced rf theories to

447
00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:15,519
uh you know just a general overview of

448
00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:17,839
all fire control systems in the navy you

449
00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,199
know you're not really learning

450
00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:21,440
specifics on any systems yet

451
00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:24,959
and then you go to yet another school

452
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:27,519
that is specific just to the system that

453
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:29,759
you are going to be deployed to to

454
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:31,839
maintain and operate and at the time

455
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:34,720
that was the aegis weapon system for me

456
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:36,880
right um so then i went to dulgar and

457
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:39,279
virginia for that and

458
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:41,839
then from there uh i did pretty well in

459
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:44,000
my class so i was able to pick san diego

460
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:45,040
orders

461
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:46,160
right

462
00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:48,480
there san diego was kind of like the the

463
00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:52,320
hot spot like you don't want to go to

464
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:53,839
you don't want to go to anything on the

465
00:16:57,830 --> 00:16:55,600
on the east coast

466
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:57,840
because that's where all the brass are

467
00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:59,600
[Laughter]

468
00:17:03,269 --> 00:17:01,440
yeah and you want to you know san diego

469
00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:03,279
is kind of like that uh that too close

470
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:06,240
to dc man yeah yeah it's it's it's it's

471
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:07,839
that poor town that everybody you know

472
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,720
it's nice weather it's good duty

473
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:12,480
you know we didn't realize that our you

474
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:14,559
know captain was trying for a star and

475
00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:15,600
wanted to

476
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:20,480
be out to see it for ever

477
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,160
i think in the first year i was on that

478
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:24,079
ship i was only home like

479
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:25,199
two months

480
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:26,000
well

481
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:28,400
yeah it was this guy was volunteering us

482
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:30,799
forever every exercise every every

483
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,720
possible thing who was it

484
00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:34,640
um that was right after we got back

485
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:36,160
course he uh i don't know if you knew

486
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,000
questions oh yeah of course kevin corsi

487
00:17:42,549 --> 00:17:40,480
he was cool man captain course

488
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:42,559
well dude's nickname was smoking joe

489
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:52,150
or a junior officer get enough nut to

490
00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:53,919
tell him that he shouldn't be smoking on

491
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,799
oh man it was always it was like

492
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:58,320
you wanted to be there for that because

493
00:18:00,870 --> 00:18:00,000
they were about to get their ass handed

494
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,880
to them

495
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:02,720
yeah that's that's his ship he looked

496
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:03,919
like mario

497
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:04,799
yeah

498
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:10,799
he's just like you think old salty dog

499
00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:13,360
that's a sailor that was this guy

500
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:15,440
and honestly your first captain makes

501
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:17,840
you or breaks you and

502
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:21,039
this guy he just uh he really set in

503
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:23,360
stone what my my naval attitude was

504
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:24,960
going to be for the rest of my career

505
00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:27,760
yeah then janikowski come in oh this uh

506
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:30,640
janikowski you know what top-notch

507
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:33,440
top-notch in everything extremely

508
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:35,679
intelligent man

509
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:38,559
was very very motivated in his career uh

510
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:41,039
which meant a lot of work and a lot of

511
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:43,280
underway for us you know and so i mean

512
00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:45,280
i'm not busting his chops you play the

513
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:47,360
game how you got to play the game but

514
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:49,120
you know i'm not saying i got divorced

515
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:51,280
because of it but uh

516
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:53,280
i probably got divorced because

517
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:56,000
[Music]

518
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:57,440
she was just kind of a horrible person

519
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:01,280
anyways so or at least at the time

520
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:02,160
so

521
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,960
you know we're getting into that

522
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,320
territory now we must be getting you

523
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:07,039
know 2003 you're doing deployments and

524
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,080
stuff

525
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:10,480
um

526
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:11,919
when did you get back and how long

527
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,080
before you went out on the the workups

528
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:16,720
with the nimitz you know end of 04 was

529
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:19,679
it a year of workups were how did 2004

530
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:22,080
start and through the summer before that

531
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:23,440
you know the time that we all know so

532
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:24,480
well

533
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:31,360
and matter of fact

534
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:33,760
november yeah and ironically right

535
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:37,919
before on our way back uh blink 182 had

536
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:40,400
uh done a concert on the nimitz

537
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:43,440
and i i got i got uh i got passes uh you

538
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:45,520
know i got the there was a raffle on our

539
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:47,840
boat for you know to fly over to for the

540
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:49,840
concert and i wanted wow so i was able

541
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,400
to actually i was there watching tom and

542
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,240
all tom delong and all those guys you

543
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,400
know rock out on a carrier

544
00:20:01,310 --> 00:19:59,039
and then uh you know

545
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:01,320
then you know a year later

546
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:02,799
[Music]

547
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:04,640
that's the crazy powder happens yeah

548
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,320
yeah you know we come into port um

549
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,000
i getting into a little trouble this is

550
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,000
when i was getting divorced

551
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:13,919
uh

552
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,640
i did it did get eventually caught but

553
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:32,640
we'll say through uh

554
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,600
through the

555
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,760
blessings of being the only computer

556
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,919
technician on board i i kind of got away

557
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:39,520
with it it got swept under the carpet

558
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:43,520
but i i went ua for 20 days wow and

559
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,600
yeah uh ua is uh basically uh a wall

560
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,280
yeah the people will know a lot more i

561
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:51,600
was unawful unauthorized

562
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,520
yeah

563
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,520
dirtbag oh dude i was

564
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,679
going going through a divorce man

565
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,280
you know and how else you gonna go beat

566
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,480
the hell out of the dude

567
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,080
good in any ways because he kept running

568
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,000
from me um

569
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,760
i'm sorry do you mind if i just answer

570
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,120
this question if anyone wants to get in

571
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:11,039
touch with me via email

572
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,799
it's across the bottom of the screen you

573
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,559
can see it there it keeps scrolling so

574
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,320
guys just if you do please send me an

575
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,320
email sorry gary to interrupt carry on

576
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,480
no you don't worry about it man this is

577
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:22,480
your show you do what you want all about

578
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:24,960
you guys man it's all about you guys so

579
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:29,120
uh you know i ironically um

580
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:36,310
was the person that had to come and

581
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,190
yeah yeah he had to bring he had to

582
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:43,760
bring me back to the boat because uh

583
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:45,120
he uh

584
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,799
he was the he was a master at arms at

585
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,799
the time he hadn't made chief yet i

586
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,559
don't think

587
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,960
and uh yeah he had to come drag me back

588
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,320
to the boat

589
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,120
wow yeah so he had to come and find you

590
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:59,679
as well yeah yeah well i i was already i

591
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:00,799
had already been

592
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,200
gotten a heads up and okay heading back

593
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:05,120
down to san diego trying to pretend like

594
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,159
what are you talking about i've been

595
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,919
here the whole time you know

596
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,840
nope wasn't gonna work

597
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,360
but uh

598
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,360
yeah no we all make mistakes i was going

599
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,120
through a lot of emotional

600
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:17,840
issues with my divorce so i mean

601
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,640
young and dumb right absolutely man but

602
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,320
uh yeah i thought it was always funny

603
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:24,240
that you know it's like sean was the

604
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,760
person that arrested me when i was in

605
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,760
the service and then like

606
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:29,919
years you know almost 20 years later you

607
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,320
know we were doing a show together in

608
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,240
catalina and we're walking the streets

609
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:36,320
at night bullshitting about it and it's

610
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,600
like

611
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,960
you know it's

612
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:41,440
it's so weird

613
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:42,240
yeah

614
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,760
it's funny how things come around and

615
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,520
where we're at now and

616
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,520
yeah it's incredible

617
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:49,440
so yeah so this is the literally the

618
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,720
year

619
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,640
going through into 04 that all this

620
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,679
happened and

621
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:55,200
so how did the workups come about when

622
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:56,400
did you hear about them when did they

623
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,600
start and

624
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,360
you don't really i mean we got a ship's

625
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,520
schedule but you know as you know low

626
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:03,520
level grunts like us i mean we're just

627
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:06,080
basically standing by you know it's like

628
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,520
they'll give you a heads up a little bit

629
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,760
ahead of time say all right you know in

630
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,120
december we've got you know we're going

631
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:13,039
to be out for two and for three you know

632
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:14,320
they'll give you they'll give you the

633
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,520
whole schedule but you never pay

634
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,919
attention to it you just go day day to

635
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:20,240
day uh is is it next week we're going

636
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,600
out or is it you know and then you know

637
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,360
i was getting i was like i said i was a

638
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:25,200
single guy for the first time in years

639
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,159
so i

640
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:28,640
i uh i honestly was uh

641
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,960
my preparation for deployments were uh

642
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:32,400
you know going down to mexico to buy

643
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:38,870
so you know i was it was wasn't quite

644
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,880
the model model sailor all the time but

645
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,559
we'll just say there's enough model

646
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:44,799
sailors buying that stuff from me to

647
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,360
keep me keep me well well off for a

648
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,720
little while

649
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:51,200
but uh yeah you always gotta you always

650
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,720
gotta take care of yourself

651
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,360
absolutely and uh get that duty-free

652
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,679
oh yeah well you can go down to mexico

653
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,240
and buy two bottles and two cartons of

654
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,480
cigarettes for practically nothing

655
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,120
wow and then just basically stock up and

656
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:07,360
sell them for you know eight times that

657
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:13,590
that's crazy man

658
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,880
so yeah jason what about you man like

659
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,200
you were there how did it feel like

660
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,720
through that year for you you know were

661
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,840
you

662
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,840
doing the similar kind of thing yeah i

663
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,919
mean that's how that's kind of how gary

664
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,320
and i we

665
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,600
when you're on the smoke back man that's

666
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,440
like where everybody hangs out what do

667
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:32,720
you think was buying the liquor no just

668
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,650
kidding

669
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:35,919
[Laughter]

670
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,600
it's life water bro live water

671
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,159
i love it love it yeah but that's the

672
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,000
thing man people don't understand i mean

673
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,520
you know the ship is it it's

674
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,960
if you haven't been there or if you've

675
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,799
been there for the you know one time it

676
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,600
seems like a huge huge even the small

677
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,279
ships seem big

678
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:56,960
but at the end of the day

679
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,960
they're only 55 feet wide 567 feet long

680
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,880
and 400 people on there

681
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,559
so

682
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:05,919
you're going to get to know people real

683
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:10,159
quick yeah and um you know it

684
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,520
we were talking about this the other day

685
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,520
like understand like i remember things

686
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,760
that were happening to people in other

687
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:18,080
people's divisions at the time like when

688
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,679
they were making rank or when they were

689
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,360
doing stuff

690
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,880
even though i had nothing to do with

691
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,760
them

692
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,440
but you know that kind of information

693
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,279
just because

694
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:29,679
you live in this little

695
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:35,190
it's like a little town but like you're

696
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,039
you're you're in a

697
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,600
everybody's lives in the same trailer

698
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:41,600
yeah it's it's kind of like when you go

699
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,559
on even a work-up or a deployment

700
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,080
as soon as you step foot on that ship

701
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,159
and you leave the pier it's like time

702
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,559
stops for you you know like everything

703
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,960
is like yeah it's groundhog day every

704
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,320
day that you know you're doing the same

705
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:56,080
[\h__\h] over and over again you're doing

706
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:57,520
the same maintenance you're talking to

707
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,230
yeah

708
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,320
slopping down the same food you know

709
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,480
complaining about the same things

710
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:07,600
you know

711
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,600
entire world changes while you're gone

712
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,080
yeah i mean i remember when we got back

713
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,400
from the o3 deployment uh that's like uh

714
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,240
i think that's when the first iphones

715
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:20,480
came out or or uh

716
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,360
was it

717
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,360
yes man

718
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,039
iphone is a lot later than that no no

719
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,159
that was the razer the new razer yeah

720
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,960
yeah yeah yeah i was like super excited

721
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,880
about it because i was gonna be missing

722
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:34,960
you know i wanted to get the titanium

723
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,880
razor and i was like

724
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,240
liam

725
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,320
come on buddy

726
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,240
but uh work with me yeah

727
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,600
yeah

728
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:47,600
but then but then uh we went into the

729
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,799
workups and you know for a while there

730
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,240
really wasn't anything going on like i

731
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,400
said when you go out you just

732
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,000
routine routine routine you know what

733
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,760
you're supposed to be doing i didn't

734
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,000
have a chief at the time well actually

735
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,039
kirby was there at the time so we had an

736
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,799
acting chief but i didn't have a first

737
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,720
class or anything like that i was the

738
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,799
only computer technician

739
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:10,799
and then um

740
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,640
we had uh two q70 techs on board two

741
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,919
which were

742
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:17,919
uh they had just upgraded us before the

743
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,120
03 appoint deployment and uh the new

744
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,799
systems were instead of calling it

745
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,679
computer it was called q70 so that was

746
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,760
the limit i'll be right back yeah the

747
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,520
new bill the new billets were called

748
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:32,480
that so that's why i was the only pc

749
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,919
technician on board or the computer

750
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,600
technician on board

751
00:27:38,399 --> 00:27:41,909
i can remember

752
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,630
literally being super mad the day that i

753
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:46,720
first first the very first thing i ever

754
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,520
heard about this entire thing going on

755
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,840
i had had to do a mid-watch which is

756
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,000
where you where you're on from um

757
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:56,000
midnight till 4am

758
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,279
and then you're supposed to be able to

759
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,159
sleep in until i think it's like nine or

760
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,000
something like that but you're able

761
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:04,240
you're supposed to be able to sleep in

762
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,679
and uh

763
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,120
the birthing petty officer the guy

764
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,200
that's in charge of you know

765
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,039
keeping birthing clean and stuff like

766
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,720
that it's always a secondary duty so

767
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,240
he's got some other thing that he does

768
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,399
and then this is his secondary duty but

769
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,720
he's like rousted me out of my rack and

770
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,640
just drove and he pissed me off but he

771
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,320
was higher ranks i couldn't really say

772
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,760
much to him so

773
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:25,200
it was like you know what you know i

774
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:26,399
remember just looking at him right in

775
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:27,679
his eyes and saying you know you're

776
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,960
[\h__\h] man you're really [\h__\h] up

777
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,120
walking off

778
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,039
and then uh i went up to the smoke break

779
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,960
and uh one of the one of the spy

780
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:39,039
technicians was like yeah we're probably

781
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,480
gonna have to do some resets later we

782
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,640
got some unknown tracks we wanted to

783
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,640
clear out and you know we weren't really

784
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,880
worried about it yet

785
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,279
and then uh once we did reset everything

786
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,640
that was when things got kind of

787
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:52,480
interesting because the tracks didn't go

788
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,679
away

789
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,000
and what were these initial tracks

790
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:58,399
they were slow slow tracks doing 100

791
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,360
knots

792
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,679
heading south coming out of the channel

793
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,799
uh behind cattle between catalina and uh

794
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,159
california

795
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,600
and so you get that channel there

796
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,840
between the island and the mainland and

797
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,919
yeah yeah they're peering coming from

798
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,440
that area and

799
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,760
then they slowly go down towards baja

800
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,600
about 100 knots they weren't really they

801
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,039
weren't coming at us or anything like

802
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,960
that but they were going crazy keep in

803
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,960
mind like during this whole time

804
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:25,200
nobody else on the ship really knew of

805
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,559
anything going on

806
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,880
so this is from my perspective here it's

807
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,799
like nobody and there there wasn't even

808
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,799
really talk about it at at this point in

809
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:34,080
time

810
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:35,120
um

811
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,919
and

812
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,520
we get an altitude as well on those

813
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:38,880
readings

814
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,710
i'll be right back hey i'll drop you out

815
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,799
bro no worries okay

816
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,360
um but it was between 20 and 28 000 feet

817
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,520
depending on time day reference the

818
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,360
person i was talking to i wasn't running

819
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,679
the consoles themselves i was in charge

820
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,600
of keeping them up and up and running

821
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,640
but i didn't actually operate them for

822
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,760
uh you know looking at the tracks and

823
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:07,919
so yeah basically i would just ask them

824
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,480
what the hell they're looking at and uh

825
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,039
they'd explain it to me at the time and

826
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:16,470
these

827
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,360
you gotta remember a cessna or a balloon

828
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,960
yeah you know like a hot air balloon

829
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,559
they're gonna be around five thousand

830
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,120
six thousand feet at the most

831
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,440
and they're not going to be up at 28 000

832
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,000
feet so the air is very thin up there

833
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:32,240
it's you know you need certain speed to

834
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,520
maintain

835
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:35,360
you know

836
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,279
yeah flight

837
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,200
and it's got to be harder to go slow

838
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:41,360
than it is fast well the less mass the

839
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:45,919
object it's slower it can go you know so

840
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:47,840
yeah what the heck are these things and

841
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,120
you're doing 100 knots at 28 000 feet

842
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:53,840
you know that's crazy yeah i mean it's

843
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,640
as it's it was really odd and i remember

844
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,000
making a comment i'm like what the heck

845
00:31:00,100 --> 00:30:59,760
are these things made out of balsa wood

846
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:00,110
you know

847
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,600
[Laughter]

848
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,480
you know we got some nutso you know

849
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,799
jetpack guy i guess there's a there's a

850
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,480
guy running around san diego right now

851
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,399
with the jet pack on and they're trying

852
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:12,399
to they're trying to find him

853
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:15,039
are they still trying to find him yep i

854
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,399
don't know if they ever caught him but i

855
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:18,399
remember hearing the story about it uh

856
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,200
but

857
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,880
uh

858
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,039
yeah so

859
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,760
sorry about that

860
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,159
yeah that was definitely really odd and

861
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,559
so i would just kind of peak my

862
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,360
curiosity but even that really wasn't

863
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,039
like enough to

864
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:36,960
you know keep my eyes glued or anything

865
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:39,039
like that but then uh

866
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:40,159
it just started getting on because it

867
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:41,600
didn't go away or stuff like that so i

868
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,480
started

869
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,240
trying to get the bearing and the range

870
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,640
of it yeah and then i'd go up to the

871
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:47,840
bridge and

872
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:50,480
see if who was on watch if cahill was on

873
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,789
we uh why not why not well you know uh

874
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,960
something about the you know the law the

875
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,279
law dog of the boat being on watch you

876
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,799
don't really want to go out there or if

877
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:05,679
uh

878
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,960
dennis

879
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,120
yeah if he was up there i wouldn't go

880
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,840
anywhere near anywhere up there

881
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,360
yeah there was just a you know so

882
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,960
there's only a handful of times that i

883
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,559
was able to slip out there with that you

884
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,320
know there's always had to be like a jo

885
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,399
a junior officer that just didn't know

886
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,799
any better or i could just pretend like

887
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:29,039
i was doing espos and just kind of slip

888
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,070
out the side and

889
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:31,919
[Laughter]

890
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:37,269
and that but i try to i try to see him

891
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,960
out on the horizon and you know a lot of

892
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,480
times i couldn't see him but a couple of

893
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,480
times a lot you know there was

894
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:44,080
a handful of times i did get to see

895
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,039
something

896
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,200
uh during the day i can't i don't know

897
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,279
whether or not i was actually able to

898
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,200
see something i didn't see an object on

899
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:53,679
the horizon but at night that's that's

900
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,799
really when you could tell because it

901
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,640
did have a uh it did

902
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,240
it did glow so

903
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,600
wow you know

904
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,600
you just always look at the light at the

905
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,840
at the at the range in an elevation that

906
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,240
that you're looking for and hope that it

907
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,760
wasn't like a you know a ship on the

908
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,760
horizon yeah and then you're just

909
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,600
waiting for it to

910
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,120
move or something like that and i

911
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:15,200
remember one night you know a sudden it

912
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,000
just

913
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,200
darted off to get crazy fast and then so

914
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,519
i went down the went back down to combat

915
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,960
and like hey you know you still got that

916
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,960
track and i go i go

917
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,600
no no we don't we lost the track was it

918
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:29,760
at this time and like yeah yeah dead

919
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,399
nuts yeah so i got i was seeing the

920
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,080
actual track that we were saying so now

921
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:36,000
that's what how i would identify them

922
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,440
you know i try to go up there at night

923
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:39,360
so that and then sometimes they go

924
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,559
straight up

925
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,880
sometimes they just disappear so i'm

926
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,399
guessing they were going the opposite

927
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,559
direction that i was at so instead of

928
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,240
you know instead of coming at me

929
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,240
or going away from me so i you know

930
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,240
basically they just disappear but if

931
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,320
they went left right or straight up i

932
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,000
could always tell whether you know i was

933
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:57,919
actually looking at one yeah and then i

934
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,640
never got to see them up close until i

935
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,799
saw the intercept video which i'll you

936
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,559
know i'll let jason talk about that

937
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,840
since we both saw the video

938
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:09,280
yeah so jason because obviously you're

939
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:10,720
on a different part of the ship i guess

940
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,599
and doing a different completely

941
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,919
different job when did it first start

942
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,040
you know when did you start hearing

943
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:17,760
things about something going on

944
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:21,599
uh when the ship went to battle stations

945
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,950
and and i'm not sure i'm not sure what

946
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:28,240
day that was

947
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:29,119
um

948
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,240
that we

949
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,320
or why we actually yeah it may have been

950
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,599
right when

951
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,079
um the intercept was happening that we

952
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,679
that we did it's been so long ago i

953
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,919
can't remember specific days

954
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,119
um

955
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,919
but the ship went to battle stations and

956
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,679
that's when

957
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:48,079
the scuttlebutt the rumors the that's

958
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,520
when everything started between the

959
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,040
people who weren't involved and then you

960
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,040
got people like gary and some of the

961
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:55,200
other guys who work up in

962
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,560
you know the

963
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,640
combat who come down and smoke and we're

964
00:35:01,270 --> 00:35:00,400
trying to like pry that information out

965
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,280
there

966
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,359
like what the heck is going on man

967
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,400
and uh you know so and then

968
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,079
from there it was

969
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,839
um

970
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,000
i don't know man it was it's weird

971
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:15,040
because again we have a job to do and we

972
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,800
we can't really worry ourselves of what

973
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,720
else is going on in the world at the

974
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,160
time and

975
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,839
we didn't have these

976
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:24,000
so we couldn't figure things out really

977
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,119
quickly

978
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,680
because we didn't have the ability to

979
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,040
even though we were right off the coast

980
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,119
of san diego

981
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,200
like you have no service out there no

982
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,680
cell service even then i mean we as soon

983
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:37,760
as you get within a couple of

984
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,640
miles from the shore we had service yeah

985
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,160
like once you're once you're out there

986
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:44,160
you're out there and you know it's like

987
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,359
an island

988
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:47,920
and you're secluded from everything

989
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,119
and uh but but being there you know

990
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:53,040
things start going around the ship and

991
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:54,000
and

992
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,520
you know people

993
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:57,359
are debating on what it is

994
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,480
or what

995
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,640
why why this is happening then then it's

996
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,480
like okay now people are starting to you

997
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,560
know information is starting to to kind

998
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,720
of leak out because people talk you know

999
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:08,560
i tell you something and then you'll go

1000
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,680
to your friend like hey bro you should

1001
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,560
hear what jason told me you know i don't

1002
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,320
say anything to nobody

1003
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,839
see that's the type of rumor that i

1004
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,839
actually heard from about the underwater

1005
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:19,599
uh track you know

1006
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,960
so i mean and then you know years later

1007
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,640
i try to talk to that guy and i'm

1008
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,160
bullshitting with him and he's you know

1009
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,599
he's oh yeah let's catch up you know

1010
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:29,680
we're talking and stuff and like so you

1011
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,560
know

1012
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,640
when we uh when we had the event happen

1013
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,920
and then he's just like

1014
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:36,000
click hung up on me

1015
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:38,839
wait so so please do do what was the

1016
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:42,079
water truth yeah so so during during the

1017
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,520
when we were on the boat when this was

1018
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:45,119
happening i had one of the sonar techs

1019
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:51,430
that called you the other night

1020
00:36:56,530 --> 00:36:55,359
no no no no no he was probably drunk in

1021
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:56,540
the torpedo room

1022
00:37:02,310 --> 00:36:59,520
[Laughter]

1023
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:02,320
but yeah yeah yeah any problem so that's

1024
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,440
him for sure yeah but no this this guy

1025
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:07,280
was actually one of the more junior guys

1026
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:08,400
there

1027
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,200
um

1028
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,640
but

1029
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,720
yeah and then i find out

1030
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,800
just a couple of weeks ago well actually

1031
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:16,400
it's been over a couple of months ago

1032
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:17,359
now

1033
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,320
that

1034
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,160
all of the sonar technicians are now

1035
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:22,960
under nda and have been since the event

1036
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:26,880
and that they did have a passive track

1037
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,839
um of the object so and that's like

1038
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,760
immediately right after they had that

1039
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,599
first passive track is right when we

1040
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:35,440
went to general quarters

1041
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,400
wow so yeah

1042
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,680
did you get any more informational

1043
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,359
rumors about what the tracks showed was

1044
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,760
it something moving at speed was it any

1045
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:45,839
you know any any more details

1046
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,280
uh yeah um well i mean they got the

1047
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,760
the signature basically the sonar

1048
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,359
signature of it you know so everything

1049
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,440
that moves in the ocean has a

1050
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:57,839
certain like noise level and a certain

1051
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:00,960
signature to it stop you know annoy like

1052
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,400
an acoustic profile yeah and so that's

1053
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,400
how these you know they can keep on

1054
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,400
passive but know what's around them you

1055
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,720
know they may not know they may not know

1056
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,960
you know you know where in the water it

1057
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,720
is they just know that it's it's out

1058
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,240
there because it's making noise and they

1059
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,800
can kind of tell general locations like

1060
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,520
this like which direction it is not like

1061
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,440
where it's actually at

1062
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,520
and this thing if you you know they

1063
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,800
weren't going to give me any he wouldn't

1064
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,119
give me any specifics about exactly what

1065
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,280
that what it was like the numbers and

1066
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,560
stuff like that but he kind of gave me a

1067
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,960
general idea like you know if you've got

1068
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,280
a diesel sub which is uh you know the

1069
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,280
loudest thing in the ocean and then you

1070
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,440
have a nuclear sub which is the you know

1071
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,359
the the

1072
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:45,040
quietest thing in the ocean it made a

1073
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,560
nuclear sub look noisy you know so

1074
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,680
it was yeah

1075
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,640
and it was fine

1076
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,400
talking about

1077
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:54,720
the thing in the bottom that's

1078
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,079
on the bottom wow that's big

1079
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,400
oh yeah i tell you what when uh when we

1080
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,160
get into rough seas and we we start

1081
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,320
going up the wakes when that thing hits

1082
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,880
the water the whole ship goes

1083
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,200
back and forth back and forth

1084
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:11,359
down into the water it'll make you sick

1085
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:15,200
and about a heartbeat is it like this

1086
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,160
yeah i've been sees much worse than that

1087
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,200
wow wow that's good

1088
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:23,359
jason were you or did he uh a year ago

1089
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,400
all right he's got a [\h__\h] cool

1090
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,320
iceberg at some point we were in the

1091
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,480
south china seas uh were you there when

1092
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,760
we went through that typhoon in the

1093
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:32,079
south china seas

1094
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,520
heading out to the

1095
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,599
we were it was that during one

1096
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,880
no we were sitting out there we didn't

1097
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,640
go through a typhoon it was just a uh it

1098
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:40,560
was rough season we went uh off the

1099
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,280
coast of africa

1100
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,640
because we had left the gulf and then uh

1101
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,079
oh that's when we were transiting down

1102
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,000
to australia

1103
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,079
yeah that was that was y'all that wasn't

1104
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,240
that wasn't

1105
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,160
but either way at one point we went

1106
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:58,000
through a typhoon in the south china

1107
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,520
seas and we were just i mean it was to

1108
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,280
the point where ship would move so far

1109
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,720
over that you could like walk on the

1110
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,040
bulkhead on the walls and then have to

1111
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,599
walk back down i mean it's

1112
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,160
it was pretty pretty hairy you were uh

1113
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,160
if you weren't on watch you were you

1114
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:14,000
were stuck in your rack

1115
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,520
you you couldn't leave your rack you had

1116
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:16,960
to have your straps up there's these

1117
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,400
straps to keep you from rolling out of

1118
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:20,079
your rack and you know

1119
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,200
yeah it was

1120
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,119
it was pretty crazy

1121
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,880
um

1122
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,560
but

1123
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,950
i lost my train of thought

1124
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,790
where was i going with this

1125
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,040
i do have a there's a question here this

1126
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,920
is a trigger warning non-ufo uap

1127
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:41,040
question

1128
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,720
uh i said uh

1129
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,720
what are your thoughts on pushing the

1130
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,040
low uh lower military requirements for

1131
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,520
some specialized group ie seals special

1132
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,480
forces in an attempt to be inclusive no

1133
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:53,920
um

1134
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,000
honestly what would be the point uh

1135
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,960
i i wouldn't want to compromise them

1136
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:03,040
no not right once you start

1137
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,880
look once you start lowering standards

1138
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,400
on that like and that's what we were

1139
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,920
talking about benny and i were talking

1140
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,319
about before like i'm not a

1141
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,119
i i could never cut it as a seal ever

1142
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,000
even back in my 20s and and like if they

1143
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,200
if they start lowering those standards

1144
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,319
bro you're asking for even more failure

1145
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,240
yeah you know that's a that's like

1146
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:25,680
saying it's okay that you don't know how

1147
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,640
to fix the equipment yeah yeah i mean no

1148
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,200
yeah i'm not i'm not there electrician

1149
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,359
you know well special forces they're

1150
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,200
they're a specific tool

1151
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:38,000
they're they're there to solve problems

1152
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,880
that

1153
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,640
normal people can't you know they're

1154
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,440
they're they're to be the top of the top

1155
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,599
of the top not

1156
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,160
you know i i'm not the whole big give

1157
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:50,240
everybody a trophy type of person i'm

1158
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,040
like

1159
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,440
no sometimes you win you lose if you if

1160
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,880
you're not good enough

1161
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,000
practice

1162
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,160
you know i mean that's part of life

1163
00:42:01,670 --> 00:42:00,240
you know i'm not i'm not you know two

1164
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,680
each is their own how they want to raise

1165
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:03,280
their kids but you know by the time my

1166
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,720
daughter's 16

1167
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,480
she'll be able to field strip in ar and

1168
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,720
figure out the mass of a black hole so

1169
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,839
you know

1170
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,880
if

1171
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,640
you know you can't keep up that's that's

1172
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,640
not my kid's fault

1173
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:16,800
i know bro i love that that's awesome

1174
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,599
man

1175
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:19,520
so just sticking with like the word the

1176
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,880
weeks well

1177
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,160
when you were to get in the tracks and

1178
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,560
stuff was it over like a week or two

1179
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,800
weeks prior to what we know as the you

1180
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:27,839
know

1181
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,880
seven days six or seven days or so um

1182
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,720
be dead honestly i didn't keep track of

1183
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,480
how long it was or anything like that

1184
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,319
but it was about six or seven days and

1185
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,560
we were just had the tracks on and off

1186
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,160
throughout that whole time it was just

1187
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:42,880
kind of like a game at a certain point

1188
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,680
and then uh

1189
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,839
you know then then the the whole

1190
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,240
attitude changed once the vid once the

1191
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:52,000
intercept happened

1192
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:53,040
um

1193
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,400
yeah and that was heavy that was that

1194
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,079
kevin that kind of

1195
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,240
yeah kevin's only to instigated that

1196
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,720
whole process by you know because they

1197
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,200
were about to train in that general area

1198
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,359
where these tracks kept appearing and

1199
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,119
they were there the day of the training

1200
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:08,720
so he started

1201
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,000
uh seeing that it might be a issue with

1202
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,839
um

1203
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:16,000
safety a safety issue with us doing you

1204
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:16,880
know

1205
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,680
in that area and not

1206
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:23,200
you know not knowing exactly what the

1207
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,480
heck these things are because they're

1208
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:27,040
not squawking any iff or identification

1209
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,400
friend or flow

1210
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,400
or you know any of these signals they're

1211
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,920
not you know they're not communicating

1212
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,760
with us that they're disabled you know

1213
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,880
they're not

1214
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,319
you know we can't tell what they are

1215
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:37,839
other than that they're just a solid

1216
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:41,040
track you know so all of a sudden you

1217
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,319
know

1218
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,319
somebody's grabbing me and saying hey

1219
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,920
come check this out you know they did an

1220
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,520
intercept they actually went after it

1221
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,240
and i'm like oh god damn time you know

1222
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,319
what took them so long you know and then

1223
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:54,319
uh the first time i watched this thing

1224
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,599
i'm like

1225
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:57,920
yeah i remember just kind of looking up

1226
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,800
at them i'm like is it

1227
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,440
is this real you know and

1228
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,280
they're like yeah that's that's the

1229
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,280
intercept then i'm like

1230
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,359
so this is chad underwood's intercept

1231
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,880
yeah yeah this is chad underwood's

1232
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,200
intercept as far as i know and uh the

1233
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,880
tic tac the one that you guys have seen

1234
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,000
so

1235
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,000
did you see any radar or anything like

1236
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,240
that no no you used to only see the

1237
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,480
clear data yeah i mean we're not gonna

1238
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,319
we don't see the radar i mean if you

1239
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:26,319
want radar i mean i tell you about the

1240
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,839
radar all day long um

1241
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,599
there's talk of it being you know chad

1242
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,440
sort of said that there are right well

1243
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,440
there's there's radar data which is

1244
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,680
basically would do you no good without

1245
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,760
the programs that associated with it

1246
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:41,440
sure yeah so like if i gave you the

1247
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,240
compiled data it's just numbers it's

1248
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,200
just a big huge thing of numbers that

1249
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,200
mean something to a program but don't

1250
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:51,200
mean anything to you

1251
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:51,920
so

1252
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,839
gotten in trouble for talking about this

1253
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,960
and no

1254
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,079
um no

1255
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:00,319
because well for one we're

1256
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,760
we're not talking about things that are

1257
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,119
classified

1258
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:05,680
and two we're not under an nda

1259
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,560
yeah

1260
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:09,119
to to not talk about it so um i don't

1261
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,720
know how to pronounce this person's name

1262
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:11,520
but

1263
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,560
yeah no

1264
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,319
none of us have gotten in trouble for it

1265
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,960
um and honestly i'm surprised we haven't

1266
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,400
haven't gotten

1267
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,640
talking talking to

1268
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,119
but at the end of the day it's like

1269
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,880
we're not talking about things that are

1270
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,680
that

1271
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,400
hasn't already been talked about so yeah

1272
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,920
you know the information is already out

1273
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,280
there and i'm sure that's and that's

1274
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,200
part of the reason why we haven't had

1275
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,960
somebody come up and like

1276
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,480
yeah i i haven't

1277
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,560
i've said i've said from the beginning

1278
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,000
you know as soon as as soon as the men

1279
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,640
in black knock on my door or you know or

1280
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,400
somebody comes up to me uh you know and

1281
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,359
says hey uh you're uh so-and-so and

1282
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,040
you get a nice family over there i'd be

1283
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,960
ashamed if anything happened i'd be done

1284
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:52,400
that's it yeah it's all it would take

1285
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,079
that's it i'm not i'm not gonna try to

1286
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,480
front i'm not gonna try to pretend

1287
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,160
it comes down if it comes down to the

1288
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,000
safety of my family i will straight up

1289
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,040
shoot anybody i don't care

1290
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:05,040
but i'll let people know

1291
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,880
yeah yeah i know i know i'll tell

1292
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,640
everybody i'm like look they they just

1293
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,880
stopped talking about it so i'm done

1294
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,480
have a nice life

1295
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:15,440
and then uh since we are answering some

1296
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,640
questions here let's go ahead and look

1297
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,440
through here um so sneaky toaster um i

1298
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:21,760
was actually in the chat for that uh

1299
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,040
that tom delong and uh simeon thing and

1300
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,480
uh i asked a lot of questions and uh the

1301
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,160
only thing they actually talked about

1302
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,880
was uh because i had asked um whether

1303
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,079
they were going to be involved with

1304
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,480
avi's program with harvard

1305
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:37,839
and uh

1306
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:40,880
yeah no there was just a lot of

1307
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,599
uh you know look how awesome we are and

1308
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,200
by the way we need money more we need

1309
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,960
more money yeah

1310
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,880
yeah strange it was a strange

1311
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,720
conversation they didn't really go over

1312
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,359
anything new um it was nice to see you

1313
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:56,160
know them actually do something

1314
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,839
but

1315
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,520
you know they've been so absent from

1316
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,680
this field for so long you know and i

1317
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:03,280
mean the last thing i heard prior to

1318
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,720
this was that they had a government

1319
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,200
contract with the army yeah with the

1320
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,960
materials and stuff and then i then i

1321
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,520
hear that you know

1322
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,640
you know they're two like

1323
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,720
people that are the big the big guys the

1324
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,800
big guns just left their company you

1325
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,910
josh just asked a question about the the

1326
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:25,760
people that come and took it he said he

1327
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,559
heard um people like there were

1328
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,760
people that come to take it and plain

1329
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,359
clothes but also seeing the interviews

1330
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,880
that two guys showed up in air force

1331
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,319
uniforms

1332
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,640
all right so that got a that's kind of a

1333
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,520
combined uh account that you got then

1334
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:41,040
because with pj

1335
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,640
he said that the guys that came that

1336
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:45,200
took the bricks from the for the hawkeye

1337
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,720
were in

1338
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,559
air force uniforms

1339
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,400
and the guys that came to the princeton

1340
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:53,440
so that was on the the carrier yeah um

1341
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,160
and then so the two separate events same

1342
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,839
thing happening the guys that came and

1343
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,680
took my tapes were the men and khakis

1344
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,920
not the men in black so they you know

1345
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,119
they had basically they were dressed

1346
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,200
like i am right now with a you know polo

1347
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,079
and some some blue jeans khakis whatever

1348
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,760
they just looked like normal

1349
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,599
you know guys and i mean they they could

1350
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,079
have been tech reps i didn't know but i

1351
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,319
doubt it um

1352
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,040
i knew just about all of them since

1353
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,280
i was there helping them install all of

1354
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,520
these new systems so

1355
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,920
i i knew a lot of a lot of them so it

1356
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:27,839
would have been like an entire group of

1357
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,119
new people that i've never met which

1358
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:32,960
you know plus it was just weird it felt

1359
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,319
weird like uh and during the uh 0-1

1360
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,160
deployment or the 03 deployment when was

1361
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,319
the when did that that plane go down or

1362
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,319
the chopper go down

1363
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,920
and we have to go fish out all that

1364
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:45,599
stuff that wasn't that was on our

1365
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:49,680
deployment no three okay ea 6b prowler

1366
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,240
yeah we had a prowler go down and uh

1367
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,160
right after that you know they had flown

1368
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,319
out tech reps and they'd come on board

1369
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,160
they talked to me they make eye contact

1370
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,240
tell me what's going on tell me exactly

1371
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,720
what information they need and you know

1372
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,480
and i get it for them sign it over to

1373
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,319
them and then they shake my hand and

1374
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,480
walk off these guys

1375
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,319
standing over in the corner

1376
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,319
no eye contact

1377
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,400
wouldn't even look my direction

1378
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:16,720
sign it over hand it over to

1379
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,680
one of the chiefs uh in our division and

1380
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,920
and uh he hands it to them they walk off

1381
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,839
no no comments no nothing very

1382
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,200
impersonal

1383
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,800
no explanation you know so it just felt

1384
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:31,440
very clinical rather than

1385
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,319
you know

1386
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,640
the way it was prior when uh when i i

1387
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,400
have had

1388
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,400
you know data taken before and it was

1389
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,839
for a good reason they were looking to

1390
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,280
see you know

1391
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,200
their way to down craft so eventually it

1392
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,880
was going to end up

1393
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,559
being something there that they could

1394
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:48,480
use to figure out what happened

1395
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,440
yeah

1396
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,880
do you guys i mean this is a question

1397
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,640
here i've got on the screen greg thank

1398
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:54,400
you greg how many people on the ship

1399
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,760
knew where the cap point was that

1400
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,880
morning and this is something that's

1401
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,119
been talked about for so many years now

1402
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,520
do you guys have any idea or um the

1403
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,760
pilots involved the officers that were

1404
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,240
briefed prior to it just the people

1405
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,920
directly dealing with the operation

1406
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:10,400
that's it i didn't know where it was i

1407
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,680
you know it wasn't something that you

1408
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,599
could just pull up the plan of the day

1409
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,440
and say oh there's the cap point no it's

1410
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,760
just just the people involved that's it

1411
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:19,599
with the radar guys would kevin have

1412
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,400
known

1413
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,920
yeah yeah because he was running the

1414
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,680
operation so he would have been he would

1415
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,040
have been in a brief and knowing where

1416
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,880
the cap point is and

1417
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,240
um

1418
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:30,000
you know so then the all of course all

1419
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,520
the pilots in the air

1420
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,400
um the admiral board the carrier the you

1421
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:35,760
know the captain of the other ship

1422
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,480
captain of our ship um any officers that

1423
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:41,040
were involved with it over on a carrier

1424
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,559
you know so they mean there's quite a

1425
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,800
few people that would know where the cap

1426
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,280
point was and it would have been briefed

1427
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:49,040
in the training notes in the in the

1428
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,720
mission prior you know so everybody

1429
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,160
would have already known where all this

1430
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,040
stuff was going to be um

1431
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,760
so but it is secret i mean it's not it's

1432
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,960
not gonna be

1433
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,559
you know nobody's gonna be nobody's

1434
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,559
gonna be sitting on a smoke deck

1435
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,040
so where's the cap point yeah none of us

1436
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,240
would even think to know to ask that it

1437
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:09,680
wasn't it wasn't even close to being

1438
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,480
anything we did in our job so

1439
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,319
um i mean i've heard rumors that they

1440
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,839
say that people in the air force even

1441
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,599
knew where the cap point was

1442
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,680
they could have i mean i mean it was we

1443
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,040
were we were

1444
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,520
how did they know that this was going on

1445
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,720
i've been tracking we'd been tracking

1446
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,200
them for seven days so i mean and you

1447
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,800
know any number of things could have we

1448
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,559
could have some officer that just

1449
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,079
thought that nobody was doing anything

1450
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,680
and literally shot an email to somebody

1451
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:34,559
he knew

1452
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:36,160
you know and then that went to somebody

1453
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:37,520
and you know and it went up and up and

1454
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,800
up or the captain could have been like

1455
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,720
look i want nothing to do with this i

1456
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:41,920
don't want to be the captain that

1457
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,720
tracked ufos

1458
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,319
this is going on you need to get your

1459
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,400
people out here you know i mean

1460
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:50,079
the admiral on the carrier could have

1461
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,440
been like

1462
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,359
already and con you know

1463
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,680
talking with everybody so i mean there

1464
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:57,440
was a lot of time before we did the

1465
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,960
intercept that it could have gotten out

1466
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,559
that we were tracking unknown aircraft

1467
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,440
so

1468
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:03,599
and it was ufos they were being talked

1469
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,880
about ufos in those days leading up to

1470
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,720
well they would always been always been

1471
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,160
called unknown aircraft they would have

1472
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:12,400
never said ufo ever

1473
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,359
no

1474
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:15,599
i that that word is

1475
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,960
is taboo you don't say a ufo it's not an

1476
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,720
official term that we would have used it

1477
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:22,160
would have been an unknown aircraft

1478
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:25,440
period end of story you if you

1479
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,040
delin if you went off off that and said

1480
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,760
ufo you'd be kicked out of combat or

1481
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,200
you'd be kicked out of whatever meeting

1482
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,920
you're in unless it was like in jest and

1483
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,200
it was just kind of one of those good

1484
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,440
nature jokes with the ufo flying across

1485
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,880
the screen before the briefing or

1486
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,800
something you know i was like oh okay we

1487
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,160
all got our laughs and i was back to

1488
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:46,720
business you know that kind of situation

1489
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,400
but no it's you don't talk ufo period

1490
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:52,079
you don't say on you just say unknown

1491
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,599
aircraft you know

1492
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,160
with the bearing and elevation

1493
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,559
you know you so you keep everything has

1494
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,720
to stay professional yeah it comes to

1495
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:01,680
that

1496
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,400
the flare footage came across to the

1497
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,839
princeton the same day or the day after

1498
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:07,920
the intercept and you all saw it is that

1499
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,400
right yeah i'm i'm still not sure

1500
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,079
exactly

1501
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,160
the time frame from when it was filmed

1502
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,400
to when i got to see it right i know

1503
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,720
that it was relatively close you know it

1504
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:20,319
had to be within the same day or the

1505
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,680
next day yeah um because at the time i

1506
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,960
was actually under the impression it was

1507
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,000
live

1508
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,480
and but i was like

1509
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,920
you know we could do this you know i

1510
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,520
remember thinking that well no i

1511
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,960
apparently i don't think it really was

1512
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,400
because i don't think we had

1513
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:36,640
the tech to do that at the time

1514
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,440
um but from playing yep you know when

1515
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:40,960
somebody's just like hey come check this

1516
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,599
out but then uh you know then it ended

1517
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,960
and then we were able to restart it

1518
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,319
again and that should have been the clue

1519
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:48,000
but sometimes when you're just not

1520
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,760
thinking

1521
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:52,000
but i remember the second time i watched

1522
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:53,599
it through is really when i started to

1523
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,280
notice the details that i missed the

1524
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,280
first time through because it's just

1525
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,760
mind-numbing when you first see it and

1526
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,599
uh when you first see it

1527
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,280
you don't really you're just

1528
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,599
comprehending this new reality

1529
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,040
then the second time you watch it you

1530
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,200
start looking for details and you know

1531
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,839
like there wasn't everybody's right it

1532
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,599
didn't go very fast in a video you're

1533
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,920
right yeah it didn't

1534
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,800
but

1535
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,559
it didn't have wings

1536
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,040
didn't have propellers

1537
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,119
it uh had a universal heat signature

1538
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,800
meaning that the entire thing was the

1539
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,040
same temperature there was no deviances

1540
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,200
in heat signature with this thing

1541
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,599
now the problem with that is is engines

1542
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,319
put off heat yeah without an engine how

1543
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,480
the hell is it staying in the air

1544
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,559
and not only that

1545
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,559
why is the entire object colder than the

1546
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,960
air that it's flying through

1547
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:45,359
you know laws of thermodynamics anything

1548
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,079
that

1549
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:47,920
moves through i think

1550
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:51,440
my biggest thing is is how is it making

1551
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,640
90 degree maneuvers

1552
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,400
yeah with

1553
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,000
you know

1554
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,720
you try to do that with with

1555
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,319
anything that we have even drones that

1556
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:03,920
we have today yeah

1557
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,610
you know and it's like

1558
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,680
[Music]

1559
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:09,599
good luck explaining that one to me i

1560
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,319
mean

1561
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,559
can we do it now you know i

1562
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:14,000
who knows well

1563
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:15,680
yeah i don't think anything can go ab a

1564
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,280
mock speed and then do do a right turn

1565
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,599
so you know we we we have things that

1566
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:23,680
will do right turns pretty fast but not

1567
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,000
like that

1568
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:27,920
and especially and that's another thing

1569
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,160
man it's like you put a human being in

1570
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,319
there our bodies just can't we can't

1571
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,799
handle that no we can handle what nine

1572
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,079
g's

1573
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,839
and you're you know and those are the

1574
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,359
that's the highlight

1575
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,520
that's with a pressure suit yeah yeah

1576
00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:43,359
keeping your heart keeping your yeah

1577
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,839
it's keeping your blood flowing

1578
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,400
literally

1579
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,880
you know and so to me that that that's

1580
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:52,240
where

1581
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,160
i start taking the human element out of

1582
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,119
it yeah yeah i honestly think like the

1583
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,119
the tic-tac-shaped crafts that people

1584
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,240
have encountered are are unmanned yeah

1585
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,760
make sense i mean they're either

1586
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,079
unmanned or they're or they're some type

1587
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,559
of biomechanical device if they if they

1588
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,720
are some type of actual entity inside of

1589
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,760
them

1590
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,760
so

1591
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,520
you know

1592
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,440
if they're us then they're still on i

1593
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,839
still think they're unmanned yeah

1594
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,440
sneaky toaster thank you for the five

1595
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,760
dollars really appreciate it man so was

1596
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:25,839
the point of origin known or identified

1597
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,200
at all

1598
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,520
um it was just coming from the north of

1599
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,920
the channel i mean it just basically

1600
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,960
they were always coming out of the

1601
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:34,880
channel we never i mean it's basically

1602
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,520
where we were floating down south of

1603
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,920
catalina in that like a little box area

1604
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,000
there so they just come in on the edge

1605
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:44,480
of our sensors so i mean we'd never see

1606
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,000
the actual point of origin they didn't

1607
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,880
just pop on they didn't they just appear

1608
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:50,880
in the middle of our sensors they they'd

1609
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,440
come down on the edge and come through

1610
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,359
yeah so yeah

1611
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,359
that's cool so listen like the days

1612
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,640
after

1613
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,240
the intercept did it all just died down

1614
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:01,599
and you just went straight back to work

1615
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,280
work up says general

1616
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:05,119
just normal yeah yeah

1617
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,559
so what did you guys how did you guys

1618
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,920
feel after that you know after the

1619
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,440
deployment after the workups and

1620
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,160
everything did it did it ever did it sit

1621
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,839
in your mind for long or did you just

1622
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,760
push it back and you know

1623
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:17,280
i kind of

1624
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,190
pretty distant from anything and

1625
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:27,040
everybody i didn't really try to you

1626
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,400
know i wasn't trying to tell people

1627
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:30,640
about it i wasn't trying to warn people

1628
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,200
of uh you know that this shit's real or

1629
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:35,599
anything like that instead i uh i

1630
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,520
started delving into

1631
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:40,079
into my own studies instead because for

1632
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,960
me

1633
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,480
i just

1634
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:44,799
found out that these things are possible

1635
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,440
yeah you know how i mean i was already a

1636
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,240
student of physics and engineering i

1637
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:51,839
it was beyond my

1638
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,799
concepts of how this could possibly even

1639
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,480
i couldn't even fathom how these things

1640
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,760
could work

1641
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,599
you know and i just really wanted to

1642
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,839
know how they worked and and and try to

1643
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,240
figure it out for myself so

1644
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:07,200
i i started doing the mit's curriculum

1645
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:09,119
for physics and engineering and their

1646
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,960
engineering fields you know i couldn't

1647
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,400
afford to go so

1648
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,079
i just pulled their pulled their

1649
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,000
curriculum their coursework and started

1650
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,000
doing it myself and then

1651
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:21,200
then i did harvards and then i did cits

1652
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:22,720
and i still aren't and i'm still not

1653
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,280
that smart

1654
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,720
but you know so you so it's

1655
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,160
yeah so

1656
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,640
with no formal education it was it was

1657
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:34,079
it was tough trying to figure this stuff

1658
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,520
out and i still haven't figured it out

1659
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,920
thank god we do have phds on our team

1660
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,440
yeah you know because these guys these

1661
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,359
guys are honestly amazing you know i can

1662
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,960
keep up with what they're saying i just

1663
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,559
you know sometimes i gotta they have to

1664
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:46,960
break it down for me a little bit

1665
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,520
so well let's jump man let's jump from

1666
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:51,760
that time period to you know the last

1667
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,440
few years when

1668
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,839
you know the story broke 2017 happened

1669
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:57,040
we've

1670
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,119
how that changed the whole subject of

1671
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,040
ufos and uap

1672
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,760
um so i mean i think as well people

1673
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:07,760
might know they might not know and i

1674
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,960
don't want to go into it without him

1675
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:10,799
being here but kevin had

1676
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:13,440
some issues with what he saw over the

1677
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,720
years since

1678
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:16,880
um but that did lead him to forming

1679
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:25,030
dog

1680
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,670
i think the chat want to meet him as

1681
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:34,079
well liam hey there was someone on here

1682
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:36,160
that was asking he said they said how

1683
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:38,319
did it make us feel after seeing these

1684
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:40,000
things have they been have we been able

1685
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,040
to really give it a place for me um

1686
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:45,040
i'm a skeptic of

1687
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,470
well even now

1688
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,400
yeah i mean even not but i i'm not

1689
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,040
saying that i don't i don't believe i've

1690
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,520
never said that

1691
01:00:02,069 --> 01:00:00,160
but i try to rule out every possible

1692
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:02,079
possible answer

1693
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,960
i mean

1694
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,720
you know

1695
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:06,640
every

1696
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:10,000
idea has its place in our own reality

1697
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,280
every idea

1698
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:13,200
i mean as much as people hate flat

1699
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:16,640
earthers they have a place in reality

1700
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,440
you know because people need to people

1701
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:21,599
it's okay to question things

1702
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:24,559
but you know eventually you

1703
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,079
you've got to come to the to a

1704
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:28,240
conclusion eventually i'll get into that

1705
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:33,589
that's kind of where i want to get into

1706
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:35,970
flat earth

1707
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,799
[Laughter]

1708
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:40,240
i know what you're saying jason manning

1709
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,839
yeah you're right you are everyone's

1710
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:42,960
gotta

1711
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,359
question things in their own way right

1712
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:47,839
and and get you know people people need

1713
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,870
to think about these things even i need

1714
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,559
the opportunity to think about what it

1715
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,559
is that we're seeing and the things that

1716
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:59,119
we've seen since then and try to

1717
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:01,119
understand it because yeah sure you know

1718
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:03,200
you're seeing some lights in the sky or

1719
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,950
a triangle

1720
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:11,040
on a night vision

1721
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,040
wait is that something you've got

1722
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,280
no

1723
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:17,119
that was something that was released

1724
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,480
at midnight on tuesday okay oh we're

1725
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:22,000
talking yeah yeah i'm with you i'm with

1726
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:22,960
you

1727
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,640
a time where i have to say

1728
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,720
you know what i'm gonna put my my own

1729
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,040
personal beliefs aside yeah

1730
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:33,200
and then hear people out

1731
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:36,160
because we as humans we have our own way

1732
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,200
of thinking and we we tend to if anybody

1733
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:41,920
says something that's completely

1734
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,559
contradicting to what we believe we we

1735
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,040
automatically go on the defense we we

1736
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:48,640
internalize ourselves and we're saying

1737
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,319
nope this is what i believe

1738
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:52,400
this is what this is my truth this is

1739
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,920
where i stand

1740
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,319
and we can't do that yeah you know even

1741
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,160
even p and and something that really

1742
01:02:01,510 --> 01:02:00,240
turned me off when i first showed up on

1743
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,520
the scene was

1744
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:02,640
like

1745
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:05,680
people were so

1746
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:11,510
and and you know i'm like you know what

1747
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:12,960
i

1748
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:18,000
to be able to

1749
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,440
to talk to him

1750
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,960
when it comes to this

1751
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,799
because at the end of the day

1752
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,559
i just get turned off like when i argue

1753
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,119
with somebody online uh you know i try

1754
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,280
not to even argue um just tell me what

1755
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:31,599
your point is and that's it

1756
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,280
i don't agree i'm not gonna argue with

1757
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:35,280
you yeah um absolutely you know if you

1758
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,799
got a good point if you got a good point

1759
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,119
i'll discuss it with you yeah but if we

1760
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:41,200
start having a circular argument i just

1761
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,280
you'll just see me stop engaging like

1762
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:44,799
how many feeds did you see me start

1763
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:47,039
talking and then just disappear yeah

1764
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,799
it's like okay well these these guys are

1765
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,160
literally just going over the same

1766
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,280
[\h__\h] that they can't know

1767
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,200
over and over again

1768
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:57,119
until they're blue in the face because

1769
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,400
they just don't want to believe it's

1770
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:00,960
true i answered a question in the chat a

1771
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:02,720
couple of like i've been

1772
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,880
talking in the chat with scott brown um

1773
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:06,480
i appreciate it shout out scott brown

1774
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:07,760
though thank you for being here scott

1775
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,480
good friend love that yeah we um

1776
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,400
we do plan on visiting hospital but we

1777
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,000
gotta start local man we've got enough

1778
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:15,760
going on right here just in the united

1779
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:16,799
states

1780
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,119
you know so like it would be nice to be

1781
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:20,640
able to travel but

1782
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:22,640
i i don't see us being able to travel

1783
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:25,920
anytime within the next you know

1784
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:27,599
i'm getting passports for me and my

1785
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:30,400
family

1786
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:32,319
shout out megan t for the five dollars

1787
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:34,000
do you think the army or some of the us

1788
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,440
government sector would test this

1789
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:37,920
technology on the navy though

1790
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:40,770
all right look at my eyes absolutely

1791
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,400
[Laughter]

1792
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:47,039
there you go there you go straight up

1793
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:48,559
outside love it that's what we want to

1794
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,480
hear man so yeah that's that's been

1795
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:51,920
talked about so many times over there

1796
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:53,200
over the years that

1797
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:54,480
people say no of course they wouldn't

1798
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,000
because of the risk and the danger to

1799
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:58,880
the pilots and people like [\h__\h] yeah

1800
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,640
it's going to be danger of giving giving

1801
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:02,880
untested vaccinations to millions of

1802
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:04,960
troops look at the look at that friggin

1803
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,440
cia look at look at it even the army

1804
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,280
tested psychedelic drugs on their own

1805
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:11,440
people look how many times they've uh

1806
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,359
they they put ships over the top of a

1807
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,680
nuclear blast just to see what the

1808
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:18,000
effects of radiation were the nautilus

1809
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,400
was a test platform for radiation

1810
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:22,400
containment where most of the original

1811
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:24,559
plank owners died of freaking cancer i

1812
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:26,079
got to take a tour of that when i was

1813
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:27,839
going through submarine school

1814
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,480
yeah i lived i lived i lived in uh

1815
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:32,240
massachusetts

1816
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:34,079
the very first navy anything i was on

1817
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:36,000
was the uss nautilus

1818
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:37,599
whoa

1819
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,950
hey we can do that another time or you

1820
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,400
can do that on my instagram live one

1821
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:46,559
time you know yeah hey other guys

1822
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,640
i'll pop in on instagram for sure hey

1823
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:50,400
nice man i always appreciate that you

1824
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:52,240
know that man i've been getting more and

1825
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,039
more involved with instagram but uh

1826
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,960
still it's still an unknown platform for

1827
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:58,240
me so i'm kind of feeling my way out

1828
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:59,359
kind of like twitter twitter when i

1829
01:05:01,589 --> 01:05:00,559
first started i'm like oh what is this

1830
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,599
mess

1831
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:04,160
how the hell do you even use this why do

1832
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:06,000
people even bother with this crap and i

1833
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,799
still

1834
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:08,240
sometimes with all the different sub

1835
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:09,920
threads and threads because my opinion

1836
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:16,150
but i will i will i will say though once

1837
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:18,640
once the voice of reason rings out then

1838
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,359
most people kind of shrink back so

1839
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:23,440
that's that's where you know that's

1840
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:26,480
where i'm not always that guy but i'll

1841
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,880
be honest i try to

1842
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:31,440
try to keep people working together uh

1843
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:32,799
you know it's like

1844
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,920
you know hey this can't be a ufo

1845
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,359
interview unless we talk about this

1846
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:39,359
gentleman you know everybody talks about

1847
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:41,200
mick west all right

1848
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,920
now nobody generally particularly likes

1849
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:45,760
his opinions or his views but he's like

1850
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:47,839
the gatekeeper for us you know kind of

1851
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,559
like

1852
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:50,400
you ever seen that uh

1853
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:52,160
that that drag racing show where they

1854
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:54,799
had the farm truck yeah it had a if you

1855
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,480
wanted to drag race any of these big

1856
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:58,720
dogs you have to you have to go up again

1857
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,880
first you know he's like he's like the

1858
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:02,480
ufo uh

1859
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:05,200
the ufo world's farm truck you know if

1860
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,880
you can't if you can't stand up in an

1861
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,400
argument with mick you might as well

1862
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,119
just pack it up and go home

1863
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:12,960
yeah i spoke to mick live here last week

1864
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,760
man that was a tough tough interview man

1865
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,520
he's just you know he i think he

1866
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,520
frustrates people on purpose just to try

1867
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:21,520
to get more information you know more

1868
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,880
more than you're willing to give them

1869
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,960
you know because like with us

1870
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:26,480
we've literally told you everything that

1871
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:29,599
we know uh shy of system specifics you

1872
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:30,559
know and

1873
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:32,480
sorry i can't tell you the actual range

1874
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:35,440
of our highly classified topical line

1875
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:37,359
best in the world radar system that's

1876
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,880
protecting our nation

1877
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,880
my bad

1878
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,640
you know i i kind of i kind of like the

1879
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:44,720
pushback that people like

1880
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,599
that he and other people who are

1881
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:50,160
questioning things because it

1882
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:53,520
even for us even for uaex it helps us to

1883
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:56,079
to raise our game exactly that's what i

1884
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,079
tell people it makes you work harder

1885
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,240
yeah because you know what we're gonna i

1886
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:02,240
and i started asking those questions the

1887
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:04,160
last time we were out and i'm like

1888
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:05,680
you know what this is this has to be

1889
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:07,119
asked right now

1890
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:08,720
yeah if mickey sees this if you're if

1891
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:10,000
you're ever in florida make sure you get

1892
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,599
a hold of me man we'll go have a beer or

1893
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,440
have a drink or whatever

1894
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:15,200
there you go

1895
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:16,079
you know

1896
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:19,039
so listen so yeah guys let's jump to

1897
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,720
those days where this conversation first

1898
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,480
cropped up and where did it come from

1899
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:24,720
the whole let's form a team let's do

1900
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:27,280
this the uapx thing where did it start

1901
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:28,799
let's really dig in and i'm so

1902
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,799
interested to know the finer points and

1903
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,319
how it grew

1904
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,079
well

1905
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:36,160
uh i remember we

1906
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:37,680
it was a little bit after we left

1907
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:40,400
loftland so laughlin

1908
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:44,400
was when me jason pj and senior chief

1909
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:47,520
day had made our first public appearance

1910
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:48,720
about

1911
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:51,039
um what had happened in o4

1912
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:53,119
right

1913
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,400
and i remember it was

1914
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,319
not a bad experience but it wasn't a

1915
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:01,200
good experience either um it was a seven

1916
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:02,880
day convention

1917
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:06,079
never again never never

1918
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,520
i i just had a baby

1919
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:10,960
you know we were trying to we were

1920
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:12,880
running away from people smoking pot

1921
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,039
everywhere in nevada trying to keep our

1922
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:17,199
baby out of pot smoke and cigarette

1923
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:19,279
smoke and you know so basically we have

1924
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:21,120
to run through the lobby or we'd have to

1925
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:22,960
run to the convention area where nobody

1926
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,120
could smoke you know so

1927
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,279
it was it was rough

1928
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,440
and then of course i ended up like six

1929
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:31,440
hundred dollars in the hole well unlike

1930
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:37,749
he's it's he sits down just blowing

1931
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:38,880
somebody i don't even know i think it

1932
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:40,000
was probably a penny machine or

1933
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:41,199
something but

1934
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,390
i quit playing though and i won yeah i

1935
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,839
kept it oh yeah

1936
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:51,120
i would i would have i would have done

1937
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,040
the same thing i would have been like

1938
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,799
and you know while you're waiting by

1939
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:56,560
myself i'll throw a couple of quarters

1940
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,480
in a machine or something just to dank

1941
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,640
around but i'm not a real big gambler so

1942
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,880
yeah yeah that aspect of it was a waste

1943
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:04,400
for us too you know so we were not

1944
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,880
gamblers we're not real big drinkers

1945
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:08,880
you know i don't really i don't do drugs

1946
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:14,070
yeah other than the actual

1947
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:16,000
food and of course we had no cars so we

1948
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,880
couldn't go and explore the area or

1949
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:21,199
anything um but

1950
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,839
we uh we ended up uh

1951
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:25,199
ended up being a really good time you

1952
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:27,759
know me dave beatty and all of us we

1953
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:29,839
became pretty close on that trip uh we

1954
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,000
filmed the nimitz encounters

1955
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:34,000
during that trip can i say something

1956
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,000
about that

1957
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,799
that that interview those interviews

1958
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,719
that you see with all of us were filmed

1959
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,239
at different times

1960
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:44,640
and we hadn't all kind of gotten again

1961
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:45,520
this is what a lot of people don't

1962
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:48,000
understand we hadn't all gotten together

1963
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:51,600
and talked about our experiences

1964
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:54,080
sorry somebody's outside

1965
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:55,679
yeah i got the same problem so he broke

1966
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:57,760
down across the street we hadn't got

1967
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,880
together

1968
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,239
and and

1969
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:02,080
so we didn't even have time to even talk

1970
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:03,600
about

1971
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:05,520
our part of the story

1972
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,280
so when you hear

1973
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,159
everything all of those interviews

1974
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:12,480
they're all separate accounts and that

1975
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,480
is about as close to

1976
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,400
where we hadn't all sat down and spoken

1977
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,320
to one another we hadn't i hadn't spoke

1978
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:22,480
to gary in years

1979
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:23,920
wow

1980
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:24,960
you know and

1981
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:28,239
kevin was the all he had done like

1982
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,920
okay we don't have a relationship we

1983
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:31,920
didn't have a relationship with kevin

1984
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:35,520
because he was a senior enlisted yeah

1985
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:39,280
so at that point like we we

1986
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:41,440
the hierarchy in the military if if

1987
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:44,239
people don't understand it is very real

1988
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:45,360
right and

1989
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,560
chiefs chief and above we just don't

1990
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:49,920
they well they don't hang out with

1991
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,400
people who are e4

1992
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,320
you know what i mean they're a boss

1993
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,400
yeah yeah yeah so you know i get an

1994
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,640
email from kevin like hey i think you

1995
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,239
should talk to this guy i know you were

1996
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,760
there on the princeton this time blah

1997
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:03,360
blah blah i think you should i really

1998
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:04,960
think you should and it took him like

1999
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:06,159
four months

2000
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:08,239
before i finally

2001
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,440
i was like okay i'll call it

2002
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:13,920
and then i talked to dave

2003
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:16,400
he he asked me about you know my story

2004
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:17,840
my part of the story

2005
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:19,199
and then

2006
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,640
next thing you know we're getting flown

2007
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:22,400
out to nevada

2008
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:25,360
wow gary and kevin and pj had already

2009
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,199
done their interviews

2010
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:29,679
and then i was the last one to get there

2011
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,239
and then i went and did my interview

2012
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,320
but at that time we hadn't seen each

2013
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,239
other till that very day

2014
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,679
wow

2015
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:39,600
so we didn't even have time to like sit

2016
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:42,719
down and go over the facts of the case

2017
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,800
of this whole thing

2018
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:45,840
so that

2019
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,960
but that

2020
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:48,480
a lot of people need to understand that

2021
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:55,590
un

2022
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,640
rehearsed or not even rehearsed but on

2023
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,480
like where you haven't gotten this idea

2024
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:02,239
in your mind planted there by someone

2025
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:04,480
else saying well we could have done this

2026
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:08,000
yeah that was the only out only our own

2027
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:09,520
memories period

2028
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,679
yeah our own recollection of what was

2029
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,120
transpiring

2030
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,440
that's good to know as well for us as

2031
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,199
the outsiders that look in have heard

2032
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:19,440
this story over the years so many times

2033
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:21,360
to know that you hadn't talked about the

2034
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:23,199
story together and then all said the

2035
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:26,080
same thing but it all came separately

2036
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:27,920
right it's important i think that's

2037
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,800
incredible

2038
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,560
here's another thing with pj the way he

2039
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:32,640
his added on to this is because he was

2040
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,360
not

2041
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:35,520
i had no clue who the guy was

2042
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,870
nimitz yeah yeah he's limits you know

2043
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,320
and then all of these things just

2044
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,760
started fitting together then i watched

2045
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:45,520
dave's

2046
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:48,640
and i'm like holy crap dude it gave me

2047
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:50,880
uh it gave me like goosebumps across my

2048
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:52,480
arm when i watched it because it's like

2049
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:54,400
oh crap you know it's

2050
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:56,640
yeah this definitely really did happen

2051
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:58,080
i'm not right

2052
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:59,760
so and so i think that's where i think a

2053
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:01,679
lot of things get lost because you know

2054
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:03,360
there is so much

2055
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:05,360
chatter behind the scenes

2056
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,640
that people

2057
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:08,159
you know like

2058
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:09,600
they think that we

2059
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:11,920
talk about these things

2060
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,800
you know prior to

2061
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:16,560
i didn't know anything about what they

2062
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:19,600
had said when when he recorded me on

2063
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,920
that long interview that he did

2064
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:23,760
of each of us

2065
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:25,840
those are all separate interviews

2066
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:27,280
yeah

2067
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,880
you know and and i had showed up on the

2068
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:33,040
i gusty y'all i think gary you did your

2069
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:35,679
interview the day before i got there

2070
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:36,560
yeah

2071
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:38,159
we went out

2072
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,600
who was it that was together was it you

2073
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:41,120
and kevin that were together

2074
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,000
yeah

2075
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:44,640
so pj was separate you and kevin we did

2076
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:45,280
our

2077
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:49,199
separately and then we just did some

2078
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:50,320
some

2079
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:51,440
b-roll

2080
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:56,320
stuff and just kind of hanging out

2081
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,440
right so then then i show up and i you

2082
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:01,520
know when i got there i could take you

2083
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,199
through the whole thing it took forever

2084
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:05,280
to get from the airport down there and

2085
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,120
i'm like who are all these people asking

2086
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:09,360
me questions like who i'm riding with

2087
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,960
it's like yeah man i'm gonna get you

2088
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:12,239
this and you can talk about this and

2089
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:13,760
then i'm like who are you i don't know

2090
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:15,040
who you are

2091
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,950
i i just want people to understand that

2092
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:23,040
is the freshest interview you'll ever

2093
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,640
get from any of us

2094
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:27,120
because we hadn't spoken about it

2095
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:29,600
now that night

2096
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:33,120
we sat down and we're like bro

2097
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:35,760
look where we're at you know look

2098
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,480
holy crap this is like we're finally

2099
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:40,239
able to talk about this

2100
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,760
openly openly and and without fear

2101
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:46,159
without ridicule

2102
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:47,600
you know so then

2103
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,080
like that next day or the day after when

2104
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,560
we actually went up on stage

2105
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,480
and we're talking about this that's when

2106
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,640
reality kind of really set in for me

2107
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,400
that this is real it wasn't the

2108
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,239
interviews it wasn't the getting on

2109
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:02,320
there and just telling my story it was

2110
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:07,830
this is really happening that's big

2111
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,719
that's big man a big feeling yeah it was

2112
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,719
a great feeling because it

2113
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,040
it allowed it to get out everything that

2114
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:17,280
you've internalized for all these years

2115
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,679
yeah finally be able to say here's my

2116
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:21,040
story

2117
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:22,560
you know

2118
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:24,159
whether you believe what i'm saying or

2119
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:26,080
not i couldn't care less yeah but you

2120
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:27,280
felt that weight lifted off your

2121
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,520
shoulders

2122
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:31,520
and that's important for you and but all

2123
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:33,280
of you guys i'd imagine i'm just going

2124
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,400
to give a quick shout out to michael

2125
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:36,000
crawford thank you so much for the five

2126
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,920
dollars so where were you guys aware of

2127
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,760
the ability to track these objects by

2128
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,360
their signals that they might have been

2129
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,960
giving off

2130
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,480
um

2131
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:46,640
no i'm aware of that ability uh

2132
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:47,920
depending on what signals you're talking

2133
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,199
about if you're talking about em or

2134
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:52,320
you're talking about uh you know rf are

2135
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:54,000
you talking about

2136
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:55,760
um you know

2137
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,760
uh somewhere you know so some type of

2138
01:16:02,550 --> 01:15:59,600
sonar you know

2139
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:02,560
uh yes uh

2140
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,080
i was already you know i knew what the

2141
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,480
uws do i knew i know what all my other

2142
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:07,840
shipmates did

2143
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:10,159
so i know the capabilities

2144
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,440
can i discuss them no no um i do know

2145
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,080
that the people on the

2146
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:18,719
hawkeye which would have had direct

2147
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:22,159
uh you know em readings and our ews and

2148
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:23,920
our sonar guys are all under

2149
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:25,920
non-disclosure so i'm guessing they got

2150
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:26,800
something

2151
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:29,360
and i know the sonar guys did so i'm

2152
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:32,560
assuming anybody with a nda had tracked

2153
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,159
something that they don't want to get

2154
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:36,400
out or some type of information that

2155
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:39,920
they didn't want public knowledge

2156
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:42,000
that's big man just to think of all

2157
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:44,000
these different data collection points

2158
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:45,600
that are still out there and still

2159
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:47,280
classified

2160
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:49,280
well and that and i think that's where a

2161
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:51,360
lot you know i've made a post on twitter

2162
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,800
the other day that you know the

2163
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:54,159
government's not going to give this to

2164
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:56,800
us no at all ever

2165
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:57,600
and

2166
01:17:02,709 --> 01:16:59,920
we have got to

2167
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:02,719
come together as a community

2168
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:03,440
and

2169
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:11,360
here is to to be able to

2170
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:13,520
to get things that are peer reviewed but

2171
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:17,280
then also give people the

2172
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:19,280
the data because that's the one thing

2173
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:21,679
that the government is is being very

2174
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:27,910
tight-lipped about is the data yeah you

2175
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:29,360
know so

2176
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:31,600
being able to collect our own data

2177
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:33,120
there's nothing that says we can't do

2178
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:34,719
that

2179
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:35,920
absolutely

2180
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:39,280
so why not do it you know and um

2181
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:42,560
i think that's that's where we need to

2182
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:44,800
all figure it out you know people the

2183
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:47,679
the infighting needs to stop uh

2184
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:50,719
yeah you know people people

2185
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:52,400
if people would just share what they

2186
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:53,280
have

2187
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:54,800
and i'm not talking you know just the

2188
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:58,080
regular regular joe on the street who

2189
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,360
you know

2190
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:01,440
i'm talking about the people who have

2191
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,440
put put their work in

2192
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:05,760
and the people who have collected data

2193
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:07,840
yeah people are sitting on this stuff

2194
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:09,280
for whatever reason

2195
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:11,760
you know and and i i feel like we've got

2196
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:13,920
to we've got to

2197
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:16,000
if we're ever going to make strides

2198
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,920
it's going to have to be collectively

2199
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:19,520
yeah yeah

2200
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:21,040
i'm at the point now where i'm not going

2201
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:23,600
to wait for the government to hand it

2202
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:25,920
over i don't expect they're going to

2203
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:28,239
hand over any actual information except

2204
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:31,920
for anything from the 2004 event on

2205
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:35,199
um too much liability too much uh

2206
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:36,320
too many

2207
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:40,800
even there's loose threads even with our

2208
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,840
with our

2209
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:43,840
situation so

2210
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:49,270
it's just a matter of they will release

2211
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:52,400
other things now remember

2212
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:54,239
think about all of the jets that are in

2213
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,840
the air at all times

2214
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,600
you know think of all the jets that were

2215
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:59,280
in the air just that day

2216
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:00,880
yeah every single one of them has a

2217
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:02,080
camera

2218
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,030
there's no doubt in my mind there's

2219
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:09,360
thousands of hours of these things just

2220
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,600
sitting somewhere being analyzed

2221
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:13,520
once they're analyzed cataloged they're

2222
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,000
either probably destroyed or sent

2223
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,480
to some type of cold storage yeah

2224
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,040
they're not you know these things

2225
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:23,040
you know they have yeah

2226
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:24,400
i wouldn't be surprised if they still

2227
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:26,960
don't know what they are

2228
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:27,760
but

2229
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:30,080
i'm i won't be surprised the fact that

2230
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:31,280
they have

2231
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,679
way more you know they're so far ahead

2232
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,520
of us and you know

2233
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,520
being able to analyze this stuff you

2234
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,520
know they they've got the real videos

2235
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,199
they've got the you know they can

2236
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,880
they've got the metadata they've got the

2237
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:44,719
radar tracks they've got the the

2238
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:46,960
environmentalist you know data you know

2239
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:48,560
they know what kind of radiation these

2240
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:51,040
things are shutting off you know we

2241
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:52,480
we could use that

2242
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:53,760
yeah i mean we're having to figure

2243
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:55,600
things out ourselves

2244
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:57,360
because

2245
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:59,679
you know i mean even you know even with

2246
01:20:02,229 --> 01:20:00,480
our

2247
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:02,239
stuff you know we're literally doing the

2248
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:03,920
russia technique throw everything at it

2249
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:05,679
and see what sticks

2250
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:08,000
you know hey best way surely we get

2251
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:09,920
something yeah and we've we've gotten

2252
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:12,000
some leeway we can't we can't talk about

2253
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:14,239
what we're doing yet um

2254
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:15,199
but

2255
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:16,159
i know

2256
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:19,360
our community hears that a lot um

2257
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:21,040
but there's two reasons

2258
01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:22,320
just yeah i was just going to say can

2259
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:24,880
you explain why because i know why and i

2260
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,480
think that's fine and i think everyone

2261
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,320
needs to know that so there's no so the

2262
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:30,719
primary reason is i need to give you

2263
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:32,800
know we've got real scientists on our

2264
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:35,280
team real phds that are doing

2265
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:37,280
the white papers for us on the data that

2266
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:39,040
we've collected

2267
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:41,199
and we have to be able to give these

2268
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:44,000
people the time to do

2269
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,480
their analyzing of this data to see what

2270
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:48,000
we have

2271
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:48,880
um

2272
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:49,760
but

2273
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,560
once they're done we'll be past the nda

2274
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:53,840
that we're in

2275
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:56,239
we'll be passed all that stuff and as

2276
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:57,760
soon as they're they have a published

2277
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:59,920
paper and they are are done with the

2278
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,199
data

2279
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,760
um i'm giving it to everybody

2280
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,600
we as a company we've already talked

2281
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:07,199
about it we're not gonna we're not gonna

2282
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,520
say okay well you know we'll give you

2283
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:11,760
these important files that we found you

2284
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:14,880
know no we're gonna give everything i've

2285
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,239
already started talking with people in

2286
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,719
the industry on how to disseminate this

2287
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,080
worldwide

2288
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:21,840
you know and we're not talking any

2289
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:24,320
smoking guns here but we're talking

2290
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:25,679
real research

2291
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:27,760
things that people can spend years

2292
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,639
combing through and see gary like here

2293
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:32,239
priscilla stone

2294
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:35,040
had asked the question um how do you

2295
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,880
suggest the regular joes handle

2296
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,880
sightings and that's a good question

2297
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:40,560
like

2298
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:43,920
it up to guess what i saw one um

2299
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,560
like if i saw something like what am i

2300
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:48,239
supposed to do with that information

2301
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,840
well yeah

2302
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:51,679
i love her question about that like what

2303
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:53,360
are people supposed to do about it i

2304
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:54,719
don't know unless they're gonna keep

2305
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,520
like

2306
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:57,600
an rf meter next to them so they can

2307
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,520
channel you know scan all the rf

2308
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:01,199
frequencies at the same time unless

2309
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:03,280
they're doing research i mean other than

2310
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:06,000
reporting where it was

2311
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:07,520
you just got to be lucky that you saw

2312
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:09,199
one or unlucky that you saw one

2313
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:14,390
literally

2314
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:16,080
i'm always interested in hearing a good

2315
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:17,360
story

2316
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,080
but unless you've got some hard data for

2317
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:22,320
me it's not really going to actually

2318
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:24,159
help other than to let us know where

2319
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,440
where we should

2320
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,040
you know go look

2321
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,199
yeah um you know the only thing that

2322
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:31,280
stories tell us is

2323
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:34,560
where the hot spots are and ironically

2324
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:36,320
they were just were you know sometimes

2325
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:37,679
they're not what people are but a lot of

2326
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:38,880
times they're just where there's a lot

2327
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:40,159
of people

2328
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:42,560
you know when you look at the the the

2329
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:44,880
multiple sightings in you know

2330
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,159
in the canal

2331
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:48,719
between catalina and california it

2332
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:50,960
happens to fall the same time during big

2333
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,040
tour season well what's out there at

2334
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:54,960
that time tourists looking in the sky at

2335
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,920
the beach

2336
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:58,080
you know so yeah it's not it's not it's

2337
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:00,880
not surprising that there's more

2338
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:02,800
events there you know

2339
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:04,960
but i have a feeling that you know this

2340
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:07,280
is going on around us at all times and

2341
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:08,400
we just

2342
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:11,520
are now starting to be able to just

2343
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:13,360
joe what's that little chip in the paint

2344
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:14,400
no look

2345
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:17,040
oh [\h__\h] what the [\h__\h]

2346
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,400
you know we're starting to we're

2347
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,239
starting to see things that we didn't

2348
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,560
ever perceive before and

2349
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,840
you know now that we're knocking on the

2350
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:25,199
door

2351
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,800
close pandora's box is already open now

2352
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,320
at this point

2353
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:32,960
so now we just gotta keep prying it and

2354
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:34,800
you know just be careful what you wish

2355
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:35,600
for

2356
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:38,159
i'm not i'm not a doom and gloomer but

2357
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:39,760
you know they're very well you know i'm

2358
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:41,120
going to go ahead and say it for the

2359
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:42,239
record if

2360
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:45,120
there is alien presence on this planet

2361
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:48,560
a they've always been here yeah and b

2362
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,320
guess what

2363
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:51,920
we're the native americans in this in

2364
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:57,750
right they probably own the earth or

2365
01:24:02,390 --> 01:24:00,400
have rights to the earth or something of

2366
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:02,400
that nature i mean yeah you know they

2367
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:03,840
play on a galactic scale they don't play

2368
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,440
in your backyard

2369
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,440
you're a kid to them you're you're an

2370
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:10,320
advanced primate to them yeah ooh cool

2371
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,760
look these people these these ones are

2372
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:13,440
building simple tools

2373
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:19,990
they're talking about our capability of

2374
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:22,080
you know blowing ourselves up oh wow

2375
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:23,679
look they finally figured out a way to

2376
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,600
destroy their entire planet all in one

2377
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:27,040
swoop

2378
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:27,840
yeah

2379
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:29,120
so listen gary

2380
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:30,560
one thing i'm not going to do is i'm not

2381
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:32,560
going to dig now into uapx because we've

2382
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:34,000
been told we know that you're doing

2383
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:35,920
things and you can't talk about it yeah

2384
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:37,360
one thing i will say is that when i was

2385
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:39,199
doing my research this week looking into

2386
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:40,480
both you guys

2387
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:42,560
i came across the poster

2388
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,040
for the new documentary

2389
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,679
and am i right is it tear in the sky

2390
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,760
tearing us oh yeah terrance guy tear in

2391
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:51,199
the sky however you want to pronounce it

2392
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:52,400
yeah i was gonna say i wasn't sure which

2393
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:54,639
one it was but yeah that's fine so can

2394
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,239
you give us any indication about when

2395
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:58,400
it's going to possibly be released i

2396
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:59,920
know it's is it in post-production right

2397
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,880
now

2398
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:02,159
yeah

2399
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:04,000
that's fair enough about it hey no

2400
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:05,280
problem at all man

2401
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:07,280
there is a uh there is a website for it

2402
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:09,600
that you can google um then that'll keep

2403
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,120
you updated

2404
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:13,440
um so if you if you google that i think

2405
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:16,000
it's still up is it still up jason yeah

2406
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,280
yeah could you share that address for

2407
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,440
this um

2408
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:21,120
i don't know if i have it on i'll tell

2409
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,960
you what send it to me later and i can

2410
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:24,320
pop it in the description below that

2411
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:25,760
would be amazing if you could i'd love

2412
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,760
to i think it's a tear in the sky calm

2413
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,159
if i'm not mistaken yeah okay that'd be

2414
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:31,679
awesome let me just do a little google

2415
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:38,229
actually if you go imdb it's got it

2416
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:40,159
should have a link right to it yeah it's

2417
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:41,600
already it's already

2418
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:43,760
we're already listed as as uh you know

2419
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:46,159
being in that movie yeah yeah no no

2420
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:47,280
that's the thing that's why i came

2421
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:49,360
across your name gary on there and then

2422
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:51,520
i saw tara and this guy saw the poster i

2423
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:53,840
was like okay i'd not heard about it i

2424
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:55,360
knew you guys were working on something

2425
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,040
along those lines but

2426
01:26:02,790 --> 01:25:59,520
there you go thank you jason yeah tear

2427
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,800
on the sky dot com this works out

2428
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,239
that's interesting that's an interesting

2429
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:06,880
poster as well man

2430
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:08,719
so exciting man and this is the thing i

2431
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:11,040
hope that when you guys are able to talk

2432
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:12,239
that you'd

2433
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:13,679
come back on and talk to me about it

2434
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:15,520
that'd be amazing yeah we'll just leave

2435
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:17,199
it to her to talk about it right now

2436
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:19,120
yeah she deals with all the promotion

2437
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:20,960
for that we don't we don't deal with any

2438
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:23,120
of the promotion for it we're just

2439
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:24,159
you know

2440
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:29,760
yeah and that's something people people

2441
01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:31,120
need to understand since we've been out

2442
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:32,480
there um

2443
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:34,800
it's going on almost a month now we're

2444
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:36,800
still sifting through

2445
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:38,639
terabytes of data that we collect we

2446
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:39,600
collected

2447
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:40,639
over a

2448
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:43,120
you know half or a week long

2449
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:44,480
so we've got we don't need to discuss

2450
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:46,239
the details of it jason yeah it's not

2451
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,070
it's all good we appreciate it it's just

2452
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:56,480
sometimes you know some things you know

2453
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:58,080
they're not going to care about and you

2454
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:00,080
know other things you're skirting you're

2455
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:02,320
skirting the line and i just rather play

2456
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:04,239
it safe for now yeah

2457
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,679
when it's available

2458
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:07,280
we'll talk about it people just gonna

2459
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,239
have to hold tight man hold tight

2460
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:11,520
but we're not gonna oh and we're not

2461
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:12,800
gonna pull any of that thing where we

2462
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,480
just release a little bit at a time

2463
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:17,120
either right it won't be on high noon

2464
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:18,800
anytime it'll just be

2465
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,400
literally as soon as i can get the damn

2466
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:22,320
thing working to send it to you guys you

2467
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,840
know yeah

2468
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:25,760
we appreciate that man but listen guys

2469
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:27,040
we're about to hit the hour and a half

2470
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,880
mark um i won't keep you for your day

2471
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:30,320
any longer i really appreciate you

2472
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,199
joining me one thing i will say as jason

2473
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:35,520
can probably back me up on this we have

2474
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,280
conversations over on instagram live

2475
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:39,360
gary you said you were getting more

2476
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,719
involved with the platform we'd love to

2477
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:42,560
have you there sometime over on my page

2478
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,800
we just it's a lot more mellow than it

2479
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,560
is on these youtube interviews we just

2480
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,159
found out

2481
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:50,159
we do jason you can back me up on that

2482
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:51,280
man we just

2483
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:53,440
shoot the [\h__\h] and chat like regular

2484
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:55,120
dudes about anything it didn't even have

2485
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:57,760
to be uap related no i don't i i just do

2486
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,960
it all through my phone you know what i

2487
01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:00,880
mean yeah so we'd love to you to join us

2488
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:02,560
on there sometime gary it would be it'd

2489
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:03,920
be awesome to have you there on that

2490
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:06,400
platform as well my man so it's not all

2491
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,600
stable and in front of a actual

2492
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:11,600
yeah it's just chilling man it is what

2493
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,560
it is

2494
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,400
yeah but listen guys i want to just say

2495
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:16,400
thank you both for everything for for

2496
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:18,639
agreeing to join me and share your story

2497
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,960
with us um it's so appreciated and we i

2498
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,560
i personally i can't wait to see what

2499
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,159
you apx comes out with in the future i

2500
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,000
know it's early days but i'm sure it's

2501
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:28,400
going to be incredible stuff your team

2502
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:30,880
is i will uh i will address one more

2503
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:34,800
thing um good we we don't go into ce5 uh

2504
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:36,800
we don't we don't deal with any of the

2505
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:37,920
uh

2506
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:40,400
the consciousness side of the phenomenon

2507
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:41,440
um

2508
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:43,679
we are dealing with just things that we

2509
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:45,280
can actually analyze

2510
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:47,760
yeah um

2511
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:50,480
i i i don't discount that stuff but i do

2512
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:53,440
have an opening invite to any of those

2513
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,400
people to prove it to me i'm a skeptical

2514
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:58,320
believer of everything so

2515
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:59,840
cool um but

2516
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:01,920
we generally just handle because i see

2517
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:04,159
some people talking about ce5 and chat

2518
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:05,040
and

2519
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:06,159
you know

2520
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:07,600
if you can summon a ship tell them to

2521
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:13,270
hey that's right i'm not trying to bust

2522
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:14,560
you know what's going to be next tonight

2523
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:16,719
man you're talking tonight

2524
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,560
talking to them and you can summon them

2525
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,480
you know i'll get i'll you tell me that

2526
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:22,080
i'll give you my address on the private

2527
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:23,679
chat you tell them to come over and hang

2528
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:24,880
out

2529
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,880
that's cool man well listen guys thank

2530
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:28,639
you so much if you don't mind hanging

2531
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:30,480
out um just for a minute after the show

2532
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:31,760
i'll drop you out say goodbye to

2533
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:32,639
everyone and then we'll just have a

2534
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:34,400
little debrief afterwards i'd appreciate

2535
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:35,199
that

2536
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:36,960
so um thank you to everybody in the chat

2537
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,400
for joining us live and for everybody

2538
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:40,000
that watches this after the fact i

2539
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:42,480
appreciate you for the continued support

2540
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:45,600
thank you so much and uh yeah guys all

2541
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:46,880
right guys now we can talk about the

2542
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:49,440
dirt let's go

2543
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:52,400
i'll drop you guys out and um

2544
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,840
thank you so much